[FAQ]Mayan X - How to Pronounce

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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2006/09/27 16:53:57 (permalink)
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Page 8 of the Preface of Michael Coe's Breaking the Maya Code, he says, and I quote: "As it had in sixteenth-century Spain, x has the sound of English sh."

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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2006/09/27 17:22:18 (permalink)
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Oh XIT....I wish i would have seen this thread earlier...woulda saved me some embarrasment.
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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2006/09/29 20:49:52 (permalink)
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Re la cervesa: Dos Equiis(sp?). Mexican, not Mayan! But "Ish'cha" if it were.[;)][;)]
Uno vez mas, por favor.[:D][:D]
Mas aventuras!!

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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2009/08/21 16:59:10 (permalink)
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A bump for lots of the newbies......it's been a while.

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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2009/08/21 23:28:21 (permalink)
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Flush of influence and insight:   XX + Xtabentun= Cha-cha?
Aw, xit.
Mas aventuras, y'all!!
 
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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2009/11/22 09:41:03 (permalink)
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Bump again.  Very interesting thread.  I have been wanting to try Xtabentun every time we go and now I think I can finally maybe ask for it correctly!  We'll see![;)]

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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2011/02/23 15:20:32 (permalink)
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Thanks for the reminder La Luz. It is due![:D]
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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2011/02/23 15:33:45 (permalink)
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Oh Xit I had forgotten how to say that[:D][:D]

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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2011/02/23 16:36:04 (permalink)
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We have been to the Yucatan now for the past 4 years and we only now have some solid understanding of the "X" in many of the words.
Thanks for the spanish lesson.
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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2011/02/24 09:54:40 (permalink)
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Have always thought that this thread should be "required reading"
for LG'ers and lurkers who are going down to Quintanna Roo and
Coz.

It wouldn't take much for me to up and run....
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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2011/03/24 20:33:03 (permalink)
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Tope again this evening.

Xit...sorry
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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2012/06/12 01:13:09 (permalink)
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I stumbled across this site while researching this elusive X. I learned it's correct pronunciation and usage in the Mayan regions of Mexico and Guatemala. While in Spain one year ago, I saw it resurface, not, as you know, in Spanish, but in Basque. Now to my knowledge, the Conquistadors were not Basque. I am trying to determine just who wrote the Mayan Language using western phonetic spelling. I assume that the friars and other church representatives were the ones, but have been unable to substantiate this and determine their origins. I recently learned that the word in Arabic for 'the unknown' begins with the SH sound and through a rather convoluted course of translations, became represented by the letter X, as in algebraic and other equations. I can find no indication that it was pronounced by the Spanish people as SH, rather as the hard C or Chi (kai) sound.
Any information out there to help me with this historical linguistic quest?
Still puzzled;
David
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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2012/06/12 07:43:39 (permalink)
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I can't help you in your quest but I was amazed to find that Guatamala alone currently recognizes 21 Mayan languages by name and Mexico another 8. I also saw that some of these languages have been written in a hyroglyphic script. So perhaps the X was used during this period.
 
I have no basis for my speculation but I doubt that the X came from the "Johnny Come Lately" Spanish, but rather the native American people who migrated over the Bering straight and down through North America. Any thoughts on this theory?
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RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2012/06/12 08:21:07 (permalink)
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I have seen one of the few remaining Mayan Codices in Madrid and their writing uses nothing remotely similar to Latin (or Spanish) letters. The Mayan language was recorded using phonetic spellings with Western symbols so I am quite certain the X or any other representations/spellings were not of Mayan origin. Their text was a complex system of glyphs and none of that is preserved in the modern written form of the language. As an aside, their number system is actually quite elegant and decipherable, although cumbersome..
As previously discussed on this thread, there is no accommodation for the SH sound in the Spanish language. The SH was introduced from Arabic and represented by the Greek letter Chi, its appearance very similar to X, and pronounce 'Kai". It was then, in all probability, converted during the Romanization of the Western European languages to the more familiar Roman X we know today. It was likely never in common usage in Spain, its use limited to science and mathematical applications (therefore the representation of "the unknown" in mathematics represented by the letter X (see my previous post). The 'K' sound persists in Spanish, although not in the X form, but the SH appears in the Basque language.
I was wondering if the Friars, Priests, or what ever capacity was held by the representatives from the Catholic Church accompanying the Conquistadors, were not Castillan but perhaps Basque?? That seems an unlikely scenario given the relationship between the the oppressed Basque people and the Castillians during and after the unification of Spain in 1492 by Ferdinand and Isabella. I assumed that it was likely the Church which took the time to 're-educate' the locals and document their language and life styles etc.
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Re: RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2017/08/24 17:12:09 (permalink)
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TIME FOR A BUMP FOR THE MAYAN X!
 
If you will notice, this thread started in 2004.
Along the way it has been "bumped" several times
but the last time was in 2012.  Interesting reading along
the way with lots of "old timers" posting. 
Educational and enjoyable.
 
La Luz - 2017
 
 

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Re: RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2018/04/10 01:47:54 (permalink)
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Will I guess this is a bump... My way of saying Hello to all old Loco Gringos I fondly remember and had so many great times and learned so much from. They say this thread was started in 2004 and last bumped in 2012..And yes I am the author... OLE Normando himself.
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Re: RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2018/04/10 02:56:54 (permalink)
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Since the last time I logged onto Loco Gringo; I have had many incredible adventures in the Yucatán using as a base the Colonial city of Valladolid, the southern Military outpost of Mahahual ( now called Costa Maya by the cruise folks) and on the northern tip of Yucatán, the little fishing village of Los Colorado’s and town of Rio Lagartos and others. As I said I’ve had met wonderful Mayan and Spanish families and had some great adventures and learning experiences. Example:: a few years back I took a few weeks traveling through many small villages in Yucatán and Quintana Roo looking for what remained of the 2000+ years in history Sacred Stingless Bee of the Mayan ((Melipona bicheii or beecheii (Xunah kab) )). Now almost extinct due to economic and other issues. Any of you studying my post of 2004– How to pronounce the Mayan X should have no problem with Xunah Kab. Kab is Mayan for Abeja (bee). And Xunah Kab translates into Royal or Sacred lady. Wish to say hello to all my old LG friends and hope those new to these posts will get much information and fun from reading.
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Re: RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2018/04/10 15:33:47 (permalink)
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Hola Normando! Nice to "see" you!
 
I can hardly believe that I will be in the area, on April 17th, for the first time since April 2005!
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Re: RE: Mayan X - How to Pronounce 2018/04/11 00:41:18 (permalink)
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Unbelievable... Of all the people to see this thread and respond... my most special Amiga and favorite LG Cata.. Be prepared for a shock if no visit since 2005... 307 a freeway to Chetumal...4 or more entrances to Playa Del Carmen rather than the little street to the ferry and a freeway bridge going completely over and not even having to slow down. .. Chichen Itza so busy now you can hardly walk and of course no more climbing the stairs at El Castillo... Tulum a bustling almost city with airport and not a sleepy village...so much more growth...but still a wonderful place to visit and get some sun and visit the Maya. I hope you have a wonderful trip...would like to know more about where you plan on visiting...I’m sure you’re also still rescuing hopefully abandoned dogs and puppies at home..
So nice to hear from you... I just logged in after ...?? So have to learn again how to private you on some special places I have found that you may want to include in your trip.. your Amigo,
Normando
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