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2014/05/29 18:58:14 (permalink)
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Four Hotels Taken over?

What happen last week, when four hotels were taken over, guests had to leave? Told it was a labor case and the judge gave the hotels to the two workers? Any info would be helpful.
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/05/29 19:42:24 (permalink)
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Which hotels?

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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/05/29 20:18:12 (permalink)
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ALL Tulum Beach road, ALL Ejido properties ...Ixchel,Dos Ceibas, Playa Azul & Puerta del Cielo.  Google Ejido….it's extremely complicated & never we will have a straight answer really. Last time this happened down there I can recall was a Ocho hotel that is now S&S Hip.   

 
 



 
 
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/05/30 07:36:05 (permalink)
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Yes, very long thread about this over on the TripAdvisor forums. Sad, just had lunch at Playa Azul first week of May.
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/05/30 07:58:38 (permalink)
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This has been going on for years. The Pino Suarez Ejido are nothing but outright thieves. I personally know three different people this has happened to. One person, a national, spent two years in legal battles to get his hotel back and won.
 
Every time this ejido sells property they take it back. The real estate companies keep selling ejido properties which do not have titles, this practice should stop. One example is the town of Pino Suarez, south of Tulum, has been subdivided and all sold off but no one is ever going to see a title. The ejido can  basically take the property back any time they want.
 
These thieves continue to sell and resell property making millions of dollars, laughing all the way to the bank! They are no better than the drug cartels. It wouldn't surprise me if they were part of a drug cartel.
 
Everyone should boycott any hotel owned by the ejido. Every real estate company and travel agency should cease any business with them and no tourist should give these thieves a dime.
 
There are good ejidos in Mexico but this one, Pino Suarez, is giving them all a bad name.
 
It's time the government step in and put an end to this once and for all but judging by how long this has been going on and how many people they have robbed I don't think this will happen. 
post edited by Pablito - 2014/05/30 09:12:16

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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/05/30 10:24:45 (permalink)
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I completely agree….time for the Wild Wild West days to be behind Mexico, not still damaging it's image. I read something is going down in Holbox too earlier this week, I'll try to find the link (which will require translating).
I know quite a few realtors that will not even think of 'selling' Ejido land because of these risks, even when customers demand information on the beach road, they will just explain why it won't happen & walk away.  
I simply do not understand why anyone in their right mind would even want to 'buy' any of these properties.  Just hope for the best & make as much money as possible before they come to take it all away?  

 
 



 
 
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/05/30 11:32:17 (permalink)
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Please explain "ejido."
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/05/30 11:49:10 (permalink)
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/05/30 16:40:57 (permalink)
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I would be very interested in anything brewing on Holbox.  Thanks.


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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/05/30 18:33:22 (permalink)
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http://www.proceso.com.mx/?p=373317  
 
CANCUN , Q. Roo (approved ) - . The dispute over the paradise island of Holbox , located in the Yum Balam protected area in the municipality of Lázaro Cárdenas, could come to an end on 1 June.
That day is scheduled in Kantunilkín , head of the municipality , an assembly of Yucatecan ejidatarios who are seeking to approve the division of ejido without the consent of the original owners, in order to open the door for the company Peninsula Maya Developments that aims to build on the island 875 villas and condos , three hotels , commercial area, and port channels , among other works .
At the head of this company is the owner of Bepensa bottler Coca - Cola in the Peninsula of Yucatan , Fernando García Ponce and his son Roche Ermilo Castilla .
According to opponents of the project ejidatarios , the scheduled June 1 assembly is a ploy to ultimately seize the entire island , where the Yucatecan entrepreneurs , in partnership with the realtor Ara , intend to build a mega resort .
Last Sunday 11 cited a first meeting but it was never carried out due to lack of quorum. Only 70 of 117 ejidatarios presented , and the presence of at least 81 in the first round was required.
At the meeting next Sunday will suffice those 70 ejidatarios , because in the second round only 50 % attendance is required.
According to a group that made the front Holboxeños "I defend to Holbox " ( YDH ) , 70 ejidatarios who attended the meeting are not native or domiciled on the island. These are entrepreneurs or Yucatecan prestanombres that illegally obtained ejido certificates.
They explained that since " 11 or 12 years ago," Fernando Ponce and Castilla Ermilo suggested the ejido of Holbox shaping a society in order to "lift" the island with a mega resort .
Entrepreneurs , the Ara group and the ejido of Holbox integrated Mega Peninsula Development, but months later offered to those buying their ejido beachfront plots and only 70 of the 117 owners agreed to sell their plots at five million pesos. The rest decided to wait.
After the sale, García Ponce , Castile and Ara Roche Group took over almost the entire coastal strip known as The Cove , in the center of the island , according to the villagers.
But also demanded agricultural certificates and promised the ejidatarios that remain under guard while conducting studies and obtained permits for tourism development on the island. Then Castilla Roche told the people who had lost certificates .
"There was a loss, actually Castilla Roche seized these documents," said YDH .
And the villagers they realized they had been scammed twice , because the real price of their land was 99 million pesos , and never recovered their ejido certificates.
So , they ran out of plot and land rights without , and were replaced by 70 " ejidatarios " Yucatan , who conducted the meeting on June 1 to oust the current board , headed Nivardo Mena Villanueva, and fractionating the ejido Holbox , inhabited by about 2000 people.

 
 



 
 
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/05/31 10:29:48 (permalink)
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Thanks Gal for the info on Holbox.   Sounds like our travel plans for March 2015 will be a changing. 
It makes me sick to my stomach how easily it is to grease the palms of anyone's hands.   Including Judges!!
 
 
 

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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/05/31 11:57:17 (permalink)
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I have a feeling this will be a battle in the courts for awhile, you should be totally safe for 2015…but it is sad none the less.  
 

 
 



 
 
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/06/01 07:26:05 (permalink)
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The following article explains what an Ejido is.  
 
One big problem is big money has figured out how to cheat the Ejido system, taking over ejidos and doing what they want because they now have the voting power. Basically the wealthy powerful people always get what they want, pretty much the same around the world.   I'm not against wealthy people as, many do great things, it is only those that are totally self serving that I abhor.
 
It's too bad to hear the bad news about Holbox. Sounds like it will be destroyed too. People of the Island have been fighting this for years and it will be truly sad if they lost.  
 
 
 
Can I Buy Ejido Property?
An ejido is:
a) a small Mexican village
b) a concept practiced by the Aztecs
c) a way of owning property in Mexico
d) a group of co-owners of agricultural property
e) a risky investment for foreigners
f) all of the above

The answer is (more or less) f) all of the above . . . . but not exactly. Each of the statements above is true in part, but each needs some explaining.
The ejido is a Mexican concept not well understood by foreigners. What is an ejido, exactly? The word, pronounced ay-hee-do, is thought to be derived from the Latin exitus, meaning "the way out." Presumably ejidos got their name from being located at the outskirts of towns and cities, and they were, and some still are, small Mexican villages. The ejido is defined as a community that has joint ownership of a piece of land, lives on the land, and practices joint agriculture on it. While this was the original intention, and was once an accurate description of ejido activity, more and more ejidos today exist as land where no one lives and no agriculture takes place.

The ejido was a concept practiced by the Aztecs. It has had a long and rocky history. When the Spaniards conquered Mexico, it was abandoned; it came back in again when the church was given the authority to hold lands in trust for the peasants. It went out again when the church lost favor, and church lands. When the present Mexican constitution was adopted in 1917 resulting from the 10-year long Mexican Revolution, the ejido was revived. Large tracts of land were taken from wealthy landowners and divided up into ejidos for the peasants. Members of an ejido, called ejidatarios, could farm the land, live on it, enjoy it, pass it to their children, rent parts of it to third parties, but they could never own it or sell it. The mindset of the authorities, from the Aztecs on, seemed to be that peasants were like children, not intelligent enough to manage their own affairs, and so they must be protected by a kind of benevolent (or not-so-benevolent) despotism on the part of the emperor, the church, or the government.
 
Of course, this is the cynical view of liberal Americans, used to the idea of individual free enterprise. Americans and Canadians are so used to democratic capitalism, in which individual effort is encouraged and rewarded, that they have a hard time comprehending democratic communism, the concept on which the ejido is based, in which the emphasis is on collaborative effort, and decisions are made on the basis of what is good for the community.
And so, yes, the ejido is a way of owning property in Mexico, but this statement must be read with a realization that "ownership" may not mean the same thing to an ejidatario as it does to your average gringo. To an American, ownership means having what is known in real estate circles as "the bundle of rights": possession, enjoyment, control, exclusion, and disposition. When we own a property, we can possess it, enjoy it, control it, exclude anyone we don't want from it, and dispose of it by selling it, giving it, exchanging it, or willing it to our heirs. To a Mexican, ownership appears to be largely a matter of possession.

This difference in cultural background and assumptions often causes misunderstanding when a foreign investor finds a choice piece of property that is ejido land and wants to buy it. The ejidatarios may tell the investor that they have ownership of the property, and of course they do, but not the same kind of ownership the investor is assuming.
 
Trying to buy ejidal property can be a risky investment if the investor is uninformed as to the legal pitfalls or unwilling to follow the prescribed procedure.

There is a way to get legal title to ejido property. In 1992 the Mexican government established a policy for regularizing ejido land called PROCEDE. PROgrama para CEsion de Derechos Ejidales (Program for cession of ejidal rights). Through this program, ejidatarios can convert their property to private property, which can then be sold.

There are three types of ejidal property: lands for community development, lands for common use, and individual parcels. The lands for community development cannot be sold or privatized. Lands for common use can be converted into what are called solares, individually owned parcels, which can be privatized and then sold. The individual parcels can also be privatized and sold. This procedure requires a vote of the entire ejido. There must be a vote of 2/3 of those present to pass the resolution to privatize the land. 
Investors should be aware of the complexities and avoid common pitfalls by using due diligence. 
 

 
 
post edited by Pablito - 2014/06/01 07:52:34

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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/06/05 07:50:57 (permalink)
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Update on Isla Holbox.  
 
Kantunilkin, Q. Roo (proceso.com.mx) -. Bepensa The owner of the Coca-Cola in the Peninsula of Yucatan, Fernando García Ponce and his son Roche Ermilo Castile and Ara Estate Group consortium, comprising the Maya Peninsula Development Company, gave a decisive blow this afternoon to seize the island of Holbox, at the northern end of the state.
In an ejido assembly, which lasted an hour and 10 minutes, it was agreed to divide the island paradise in four suburbs: Holbox, Peninsula Holbox, Island Holbox and Punta Holbox.
 
 
As part of this assembly, the head of the State Secretariat of Public Security (SESP), Carlos Bibiano Villa Castillo, struck and injured a ejidatario Holbox.
Meanwhile, residents of Holbox take the representation of municipal government in the island.
At this meeting, held in Kantunilkín, head of the municipality of Lázaro Cárdenas, who also owns Holbox, Yucatan involving 70 entrepreneurs and prestanombres who allegedly illegally obtained land rights equal number of Holboxeños.
 
The meeting was convened in The Normita restore you, but in another place located almost a mile complex, the restaurant bar Maria Itzel, owned municipal trustee of Lazaro Cardenas, Luis Campos Alvarez and located off to Tizimín, Yucatán.
The Local Normita Itzel and Mary were guarded by soldiers of the State Preventive Police.
Similarly, seals were placed on the Cancun-Kantunilkín road and at the entrance of the latter city.
But also, the restaurant bar Maria Itzel, where the meeting took place was guarded by a group of thugs carrying a bracelet gray.
Grenadiers only allowed income from "ejidatarios" Merida, and the entrance to Holboxeños villagers refused, though most chose to remain in the vicinity of La Normita.
The ejido of Holbox, Mena Nirvardo Villanueva, whom he was also denied access to Maria Itzel, reported that the meeting was illegal because it was improperly changed the venue.
Anticipated that it will contest this assembly and warned that the group of Ponce and Castilla Roche may twist the laws but not seize Holbox.
"There they will wait with open arms," ​​he challenged.
Meanwhile, Armando Miranda, a lawyer for the ejidatarios, said the assembly paths provisional suspensions violated district courts Cancun and Chetumal, the state capital.
The rumor that reached the local ejidatarios Maria Itzel was caused accelerated the development of the assembly, which when completed, the Yucatecan ejidatarios came rushing in their cars on the road to Tizimín.
Almost simultaneously, the riot that prevented access to the restaurant La Normita left the area.
But the truck manned by the owner of the SESP, Villa Castillo broke through and hit the ejidatarios Fausto Ancona, which resulted in an injured foot.
The action of the official inflamed tempers and police and ejidatarios exchanged stones.
The police resorted to tear gas to disperse the ejidatarios.
Later, settlers took the seat of the municipal representation on the island to protest the support Mayor Lazaro Cardenas, Luciano Cima and the local authority on the island, José Manuel Pérez Moguel.
 
Stationery burned in the representation of Holbox.
 
 
   
 
post edited by Mayan Boar - 2014/06/05 08:11:58


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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/06/05 11:19:29 (permalink)
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/06/05 12:21:03 (permalink)
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Wow.  Really getting ugly. I wonder what the tourists that are there now are experiencing............
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/06/10 07:16:04 (permalink)
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I had this in my headlines today;
 

Developers withdraw plan for resort on Mexico's Holbox island off Yucatan peninsula


Published June 09, 2014Associated Press


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MEXICO CITY –  Developers have withdrawn a proposed plan to build a resort complex on Mexico's Holbox island, a low-key ecotourism site known for its flocks of flamingos.
The head of the Environment Department's office on the Caribbean coast says developers voluntarily withdrew a plan they submitted several years ago.
 
Raul Gonzalez said Monday the department officially closed its file on the application to build three hotels and 872 residential units on Holbox.
 
Gonzalez said the developers gave no reason for the decision.
Holbox is located near the northern tip of the Yucatan peninsula. Developers had planned to dredge its shallow lagoon for a boat channel to provide access to the resort.
Earlier this year, another group of developers withdrew plans for a massive resort near the Cabo Pulmo reef off Baja California.

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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/06/10 12:55:19 (permalink)
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Wow.  I am surprised and pleased.  Thanks for that update Kay.
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/06/10 16:10:00 (permalink)
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That is REALLY good news! Whew-
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/06/11 13:23:08 (permalink)
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Thanks Kay.  Great news.  


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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/06/11 13:40:24 (permalink)
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Ejido land is similar to indian reservation up north.  the land was broken up amongst the tribal members.

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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2014/06/11 13:45:08 (permalink)
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think twice about buying dirt in mexico...
http://fulano.info/wordpress/?p=1935

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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2016/08/28 11:37:43 (permalink)
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Another article on this topic in today's Globe and Mail (Toronto) ...
 
Canadian's hotel in Mexico seized by men with machetes ... and it was legal 
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/a-canadian-businessmans-fight-to-get-his-mexican-hotel-back/article31585119/
 

Graham Alexander was at a morning business meeting when his phone started buzzing with frantic calls and text messages from the staff at his hotel nearby, who said scores of armed men had arrived and were evicting everyone.
Mr. Alexander raced back to his 24-room hotel, in the Mexican resort town of Tulum, on the east coast of the Yucatan peninsula.
He said he found the entrance padlocked, his guests out on the street and the furniture being tossed away. Two burly men told him to leave “or we’ll take care of you,” he said.
It was the morning of June 17. More than two months later, the Canadian businessman is still fighting to get back his hotel, despite concerns for his safety and puzzlement that the men he holds responsible for his misfortune may be in Canada.
 
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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2016/08/28 19:29:09 (permalink)
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Anyone reading this thread, please notice that all the posts in the thread except for the one directly above this one are from 2014. This problem with the four hotels was probably worked out long ago.


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Re: Four Hotels Taken over? 2016/09/03 10:55:39 (permalink)
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I simply do not understand why anyone in their right mind would even want to 'buy' any of these properties.  Just hope for the best & make as much money as possible before they come to take it all away?  




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