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Eco-Friendly products - 7/15/2006 8:16:16 AM   
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Bill in Waco did some research finding a biodegradeable sunscreen. Thought it would be a good idea to list that and other important product finds here.

Thanks Bill in Waco

After some research, the only brand I found that met all the criteria for Xel Ha and others was Mexitan sunscreen. We ordered over the net and none of the ingrediants violated the banned stuff and it has a sticker that says "biodegradeable" on the bottle. www.mexitan.com

Jeanne

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RE: Eco-Friendly products - 7/15/2006 11:05:18 AM   
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Hi Jeanne - can you post the list of ingredients or where Bill put it? Thanks!

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RE: Eco-Friendly products - 7/15/2006 11:24:41 AM   
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livey, went back and looked at some old threads. Even though a product may say it's Eco-Friendly/Organic or whatever, this is a list of non-ecofriendly ingredients that an employee of Xel Ha noted:

Octocrileno, Benzofenona, Butil metoxidibenzoilmetano, Hexilodecanol, Dimetil capramida, Cetil dimeticona, Metilparabeno, Polietileno, Propilparaben, Butilcarbamato

(they actually sound scarey!)

These are the ingredients in Mexitan's products:

All Natural Sunscreen Lotions SPF 8, SPF 15, and SPF 30

ACTIVE INGREDIENTS

* Titanium Dioxide
* Zinc Oxide

OTHER NATURAL INGREDIENTS

* Sunflower Oil
* Green Tea Extract
* Coconut Oil
* Almond Oil
* Lanolin
* Tocopherol Acetate (Vitamin-E)
* Eucalyptus Oil
* Ascorbyl Palmitate (Vitamin-C)

I am by no means endorsing Mexitan, but this is some interesting information.

Jeanne

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RE: Eco-Friendly products - 7/15/2006 7:20:37 PM   
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Thanks SOOOO much, Jeanne! I will go hunt down ours - I know someone mentioned this particular brand was rated okay at Xcaret, but I will double check.

Livy
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RE: Eco-Friendly products - 7/22/2006 2:49:24 PM   
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Jackermn:

This is a reprint from some investigations I did last September...But I think it is still very relevent.

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Yesterday's post on sunscreens got me wondering about sunscreens, so I did a brief search to try to figure our "What the heck is going on?" If you are confused about sunscreen, hopefully this will help you. If you are a dermatilogist or an envrionmental epidemiologist, perhaps please correct me where I'm wrong.

Sunscreens
Sunscreens (sunblock) are ointments, creams, sprays, salves (I always liked that word) used to protect the skin from the harmful rays of the sun. These harmful rays are ultra-violet rays with wavelengths between 380 to 315 nanometers (UVa) and 315 to 280 nm (UVb). UVb rays are reportedly the cause of painful sunburns. UVa rays are reported in some sources as not causing sunburn but both rays can cellular damage resulting in premature skin aging and or skin cancers.

Sunscreen works by either scattering the light before it hits the skin or by absorbing the sunlight. Scattering compounds used are the opaque mineral titanium dioxide (TiO2) and Zinc Oxide (ZnO).

Absorption of UV rays is affected by aromatic compounds that are conjugated to a carbonyl group. When exposed to UV radiation these compounds adsorb the UV rays and convert the light energy into radiant heat energy. The first widely marketed compound to be used as a sunscreen was para-amino-benzoic acid (PABA) however, it was found to be very harsh, causing skin rashes and allergic reactions. Most sunscreens on the market are PABA free. The following are the United States Food and Drug Administrations (USFDA) allowable concentration of active ingredients in sunscreen:

Class PABA & PABA Esters
 p-Aminobenzoic acid (PABA) up to 15 percent.
 Padimate O up to 8 percent.

Class Benzones
 Avobenzone up to 3 percent.
 Dioxybenzone up to 3 percent.
 Oxybenzone up to 6 percent.
 Sulisobenzone up to 10 percent.

Class Cinnamates
 Cinoxate up to 3 percent.
 Octocrylene up to 10 percent.
 Octyl methoxycinnamate (Octinoxate) up to 7.5 percent

Class Salicylates
 H'om'osalate up to 15 percent. (Note appostrophes inserted by me because LocoGringo uses a xenophobic filter that prohibits the Greek root of 'same')
 Trolamine salicylate up to 12 percent.
 Octyl salicylate up to 5 percent.

Others
 Menthyl anthranilate up to 5 percent.
 Phenylbenzimidazole sulfonic acid up to 4 percent.

Light Blockers
 Titanium dioxide up to 25 percent.
 Zinc oxide up to 25 percent.

It should be noted that avobenzone is the only sunscreen compound allowed by the European Union.

Environmental and Health Considerations

Most sunscreen consumers are concerned that the sunscreen they choose to use is environmentally “safe”. Unfortunately this is where the issue gets very confusing. Part of the confusion is because the sunscreen market is a large and lucrative. Branding and market positioning are extremely important in maintaining sales. It is easy to see why marketers use fear when marketing a product that some dermatologists will endorse as preventing skin cancer or premature aging. When faced with claims from marine environmentalists that over use of brand X is killing the environment you can market your brand as “safe”. Regardless of how you market your sloppy cream, spray, or salve, the consumers don’t really know the truth behind the “claims”. Factual safety claims rely on prolonged exposure to various environments at various concentrations and with considerations for how frequently cancer will be encountered (slope factor) and how frequently adverse health problems will be encountered (risk factor). It all comes down to statistics. Which in the words of Mark Twain “there are lies, damnable lies, and then there are statistics”. And all of the claims I read had NO supporting data.

My first search was for sunscreen environmental health. Results from “Googling” were primarily the resultant USFDA ban on combining sunscreen with DEET. The reason was that the continued application of sunscreen may lead to overexposure to DEET. Additionally there were a few articles about the environmental fate of DEET in aquatic life forms because people might be using the combined product when swimming. But the bottom line is since the product is no longer available so it is not a valid issue at this time.

What then is the story behind “eco-friendly” or “environmentally safe” and “all natural” formulations? Complete and total bunk is my read on it. Pick your market (your target consumer) and make your claims. That is the only way to sell snake oil.

“But Billiam, how can you say such awful things?”
Here’s a list of “all natural” herbal sunscreen ingredients...
Titanium dioxide, water, sunflower oil, vegetable glycerine, green tea extract, sweet almond oil, coconut oil, jojoba oil, tocopherol (vitamin E), cocoa butter, orange blossom oil, rice bran oil, lanolin oil, xanthan gum, sodium hydroxymethyl glycinate, eucalyptus oil, lecithin.

Then again, the “eco-friendly”, and “environmentally safe” formulations go out of their way to say “Oil Free” but do not say WHAT they are using for a vehicle. Some do list the active ingredients…octinoxate (7.5%) padimate O (5%), oxybenzone (5%) and octyl salicylate (2.5%) (“I feel much better now knowing that the crud is Oil Free”). Again check for yourselves, you will find that most sunscreens will tell you what is DOESN’T contain more often than what it DOES. (Oh and a claim you will NEVER see, “Guaranteed safe for the environment, we’ve done extensive testing on laboratory bunnies and baby turtles to prove it”)

Safety Claims…or rather “unsafety” claims.

OK so to protect the reef and the aquatic environment we should be using oil-free, at least that’s what the “dolphin huggers” seem to claim. Except that, again, there are "claims" that the benezone and cinnamate classes of compounds (and a standard ingredient in the adsorbing sunscreens) are estrogen disrupters. That is, these "gender bender" compounds will cause all kinds of sexual confusion and dimorphism in untold numbers of creatures. (Then again maybe that is what the sexually dimorphic Stoplight parrot fish needs to get it’s mind right). So scratch adsorbing sunscreens off the "safe" list.

“At least the scattering compounds are safe, right Billiam?”
Wrong! Again, there are more claims that nanoparticals (the tiny microscopic sizes) of the titanium dioxide and zinc oxide pigments will accumulate in fish and are toxic to fish. Again these are claims. The chemistry of waters can vary greatly as will the mobility of dissolved or suspended particles. Further investigation shows that zinc oxide, is a listed compound under NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) and the exposure to zinc oxide DUST is 5 milligrams per cubic meter (however is suspended in a cream it is not airborne, but then again, has any one measured the airborne exposure after drying?) Furthermore, if this is nasty in your lungs, what is it to a fishes gills (it does not need to be dried to become water borne).

So what does Billiam use? Oil free sunscreen, SPF 45 or 30 (minimum), water proof/sweat proof...And I do not endorse any manufacturer. And if you can find the “sport” formulation that uses isopropyl alcohol for a vehicle, grab it. Getting a “beer buzz” off your sunscreen it the best way to start the day! Buy it before you go, it’s cheaper here. Put it on first thing in the morning and let it soak in. Re-apply as necessary, but try to stay out of the sun during mid-day...And look both ways before you cross the street.


As you noted the list of banned ingredients at Xel Ha includes octocrylene (octocrileno) a light absorber from the cinnamate class. I didn't see any of the other ingredients from the Xel Ha banned list in the cocktail list of possible sunabsorbers.

A striking comparison can be seen in the "OTHER NATURAL INGREDIENTS" that you have listed.

* Sunflower Oil
* Green Tea Extract
* Coconut Oil
* Almond Oil
* Lanolin
* Tocopherol Acetate (Vitamin-E)
* Eucalyptus Oil
* Ascorbyl Palmitate (Vitamin-C)

FOUR out of seven ingredients are oils. Overuse and misapplication will result in oily sheens on the watersurface. They may claim that the oil is "biodegradable" but all oil is biodegradable it just takes the right conditions for the stuff to be digested. But until then it is absorbed to surfaces and can cause havoc. Additionally what's the point of supercharging sunscreen with vitamins? Are the marine animals not eating their Flintsone Chewables?

As I stated at the beginning confusion abounds and spurious and apocryphal claims are thrown about with out any substantiation. I am OVERLY suspicious of places that claim to have the one and only product you can use...and that it's available through them at an inflated price...The whole mess smells like last weeks fish dinner...In the interim if you are snorkeling in a sensitive area like Xel Ha or Yal Ku lagoon (low water turn over so ther is limited dipersion on the washed off skin products) do with out. Use rash guards or other engineered clothing to protect your skin, go in the early hours when sun exposure is not as bad.

Regards

Billiam
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RE: Eco-Friendly products - 7/22/2006 5:55:16 PM   
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The parrotfish are getting plenty of calcium!

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RE: Eco-Friendly products - 7/23/2006 2:39:07 PM   
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Thanks for the research Billiam. Interesting reading, and good topic for education. Confirms my decision to have never used the stuff -- and I won't start now.

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RE: Eco-Friendly products - 7/23/2006 6:26:39 PM   
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Rash Guard Shirts are the most eco friendly.

Best of luck,

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RE: Eco-Friendly products - 8/12/2006 12:06:33 PM   
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I'm coming in late on this thread, but I've looked all over for bio-degradable sunscreens - ever since my first trip to the Roo, and a snorkeling guide told us about the damage to reefs caused by sunblock lotions. Thanks much for the Mexitan website. We'll be ordering some soon!

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RE: Eco-Friendly products - 9/5/2006 12:12:52 PM   
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Does anyone know is there a difference between organic and biodegradeable sunblock? I usually buy organic, but I've never seen one around here even in health food stores that said it was biogradeable. Also, has anyone tried Cactus Juice sun block and bug spray in one? This is a link to it Cactus Juice
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RE: Eco-Friendly products - 9/5/2006 12:29:16 PM   
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One you drink the other you rub on?

Just a guess.......

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RE: Eco-Friendly products - 9/6/2006 8:13:39 AM   
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quote:

One you drink the other you rub on?


hehe we just watched Benchwarmers this weekend and one of the guys was drinking sunblock. Must have been organic. Seriously though, I have no idea what it means. Organic sounds like it would be good. I know organic food has less crap in it then non-organic so I assumed sunblock is the same. I just dunno if organic means that it's safe for the reefs etc
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Mexitan is great! - 9/21/2006 6:51:52 PM   
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I've been using Mexitan products for a few years and you will find it mentioned on many threads over the past few years on this site. I recommend it often on the fourm as do others who have used it. All the ingredients are listed on their site www.mexitan.com And lotions of the same SPF are identical, regardless of the label. They have the different labels only to appeal to different markets.

Because these natural products do not include any chemical emulsifiers, you will find that the SPF15 and up lotions do not rub into your skin like Coppertone or other drugstore brands. They will leave a bit of white residue on your skin. Make sure to apply it at least 20 min before going outside and rub it in well. Also shake well before each use (again, no chemical emulsifier so it needs to a good mixin).

If you want an awesome post-ocean/beach/sun/pool moisturizer I highly recommend their new moisturizer. All natural with no scent. Again no chemical emulsifiers so shake really well. It works best to use sparingly after you shower or bathe before you dry off. After you rub it on your wet skin just wait a minute and lightly towel off if you still wet (don't rub, just towel lightly). It's the only thing that stops me from getting dried our of flaking.

Skeedattle, the Mexitan bug repellant really saved us last summer on the Big Island. The friends we were with were on the last leg of traveling around the world for a year and had a full collection of every % of Deet and anything else that's sold, including stuff that isn't even legal here. We all ended up using my Skeedattle in the gardens, forests on the Hilo side and at the couple beachside luaus we went to. I don't go to Mexico in the height of summer or the early fall so I can't tell you how it works there. Our Hawaii trip and the use we've gotten with it at home have been great. No chemicals and it's safe for kids. Smells nice too - vanilla scent.

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