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News of slayings near Tulum - 12/14/2005 2:03:19 PM
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BeachBumpkin
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I am sorry to bring this up. Does anybody know about this? I haven't seen it mentioned. Very Sad if true.
The following was reported on the Italian website;
http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2005/12_Dicembre/13/messico.shtml
Google translation follows;
The two corpses have been discoveries from a peasant near TulumItalian found died in beach in MexicoThe body of Mattia Mezzetti, 26 years, was to flank to of that one of its Spanish fiancèe. Both numerous had hurt .CITY OF MEXICO - E' for the moment wrapped from the mystery the dead women of one brace of tourists, an Italian and one Spanish, it finds to you half-naked with numerous hurt on one beach of the state of Quintana Roo, in the Mexican Caribbeanses. The bodies of Mattia Mezzetti, 26 years, and the contemporary Martha Toullat Vallverde, have been discoveries slid saturday, but only tuesday the local police of it has given news.
THEY WERE ARRIVES IN MEXICO 18 NOVEMBER TO YOU - The corpses have been discoveries from a peasant in the vicinities of Tulum, to 130 kilometers to south of Cancun. Mezzetti and Vallverde were arrive in 18 Mexico past November to you and were lodge to you in a hut to 7 kilometers from Tulun, have made to know the local, second police which the last time that the brace has been seen alive laughed them to 2 past December.
THE BROTHER: "HE WAS A PRUDENT BOY" - Mattia Mezzetti lived for the greater part of the time to Minorca, where it managed a restaurant of property of its family. "My brother was a boy much prudent one and never it would not have been hunted in a danger situation - it has told the Raffaele brother, 35 years - there were you feel yourself via mail the past week and seemed that same going all good".
14 Decembers 2005
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/14/2005 2:09:17 PM
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mayajerney
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BB..I saw this reported on Lonely Planet yesterday. It is sad. I hope it won't deter anyone from enjoying Tulum on their vacation. This is a VERY isolated incident, and one that can happen anywhere. We both live close to a city where it seems shootings and assaults are an everyday occurence of late, I actually feel safer in Mexico than I do in my own home. If anything, this may make Tulum even safer than it already is, as I am sure this incident will increase policia presence.
I have been to Tulum solo and never felt unsafe. It is just a matter of using normal precautions and being aware of what is going on around you, just as you should anywhere you go.
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/14/2005 2:25:08 PM
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mayajerney
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I thought about putting up the link for this yesterday, but didn't because I didn't want to cast a bad light on Tulum, or give anyone the impression that it is any more dangerous there now than it has ever been. I would walk down the street of Tulum any ole' day, but, not Cincinnati, unless I had a death wish..lol!
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/14/2005 2:33:01 PM
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GuestI
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Maya:
I read this yesterday as well....Tulum is a small sleepy village and the locals like it that way....me thinks there is more to this story than we will ever know!
I am in total agreement with you!
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/14/2005 3:41:25 PM
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Well, I'm from the St. Louis area, which has been ranked third highest in the nation for crime. So I still think the MR is a lot safer!
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/14/2005 5:15:32 PM
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mayajerney
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Yes, I believe there is more to the story as well. Tulum is a wonderful place! Tropigal, please post a trip report, I love hearing about Tulum!
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/14/2005 9:26:17 PM
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Wow--all of us Ohioans on this thread! I teach in the inner city in Toledo and crime is an every day thing right by the school. I definitely feel safer in Mexico!
Last year, a woman was killed by the Gala in Playacar not long before we were to arrive at the Riu Palace a few doors down. It made me a little uneasy, but not for long. Violent crime is not the "norm" in the Mayan Riviera.
As for Detroit--I get scared just driving through it!
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/14/2005 9:54:16 PM
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Ann in Dsm
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I read about these sad events in the Por Esto earlier this week. According to the article the slaying and findings took place near Francisco Uh May which is a small town near Tulum, where the women were living in a house, not in Tulum. Mayajerney is right, this is an isolated incident, and I feel much safer there than I do in parts of my own city and country!
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/14/2005 10:49:24 PM
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jim
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A translation of the Por Esto article. Not very clear.
Here, it is in Spanish.
http://www.poresto.net/index.php?ID=53732
By Mora/Redacción Roman ALCALDIA OF TULUM, SOLIDARITY, 13 of December. - Without tracks of the assassins of the tourists: Martha Toullat Vallverde and Matías Mezzetti, that remained provided with accomodations two weeks ago in an address of the community of Francisco Hu May, until they were brutally discovered assassinated. In as much the name of the proprietor of the house was known yesterday in where was the last days of their life the pair of foreigners. The proprietor is called Antonio Vurwell Vales, been in Beach of the Carmen and apparently the day of the crime was in the mentioned city. In as much of strange way, tourists arrived at the place to know the interior, although one of them lives in the bordering community. Of suspicious way, a tourist of Italian nationality with address in the community of Macario Go'mez, located to little 2 kilometers of the mentioned community, arrived with his relatives at the estate where the tourists lived the last days of their lives who were assassinated Thursday the past; the strange visitors argued the one in charge of the place to want to know the interior, which was denied to them after narrating the facts to him that assured to not know in spite of being a case very sounded in the state. According to the versions of the people who know Tony, also well-known like "pelón", they assured that its last name is Vurwell Vales, apparently native origin yucateco of the city of Mérida Yucatan. Been in Beach of the Carmen "the Pelón" Vurwell he is unmarried, of approximately 30 years. By regulating once to the week he is used to arriving at the community to make the payment to the employees who toil in the property where they were provided with accomodations the tourists, being in this occasion last Thursday when he arrived at the siito and he asked between the neighbors for the whereabouts of the foreigners. One knew that the completed tourists were their friends, who annually got at Quintana Roo to spend some months in where the professional diving practiced. According to an official source, he said that Martha Toullat and Matías Mazzeti, had the intention to construct a hotel in the zone near Cobá, because its intention was the one to put into operation a school of espeleología (diving in caverns) in where would become qualified tourists who arrive at that zone with the intention to know the system natural wells that surround that part of the municipality of Solidarity. Including the sources they said that the victimados ones maintained a good relation with the famous known Cuban diver like "the Cuas" and that therefore it presumes itself that widely they were known in the circle of quintanarroenses divers. In resistance, in Tulum, one inquired that Burwell Vales, maintained an office of real estate, although in same the employees they assured that these offices of real estate located in the mayorship are hers, the secretary of the place denied it, assuring that the owner is a person of Juan name Carlos Mier I Teran, who is in the city of Mérida. Like a coincidence, also he arrived in the evening from that same Thursday at the offices, to make the payment of the week to his secretary, to whom telephone route entrevistó to ask for the telephone to him of Tony, alleging across of the line, to not know it. Nevertheless, the people who know Tony assure that he has offices of real estate in the Fifth avenue, is known almost by all the retailers of the place, whereas the offices of this locality are conformed by a group of partners coming from the state of Yucatan, place where she is used to traveling since there are their parents. They indicate that she counts on two vehicles: a car of gray color and a vehicle sport type of black color, that is the unit with which it the past arrived Thursday at the community of Francisco Hu May. They assure the vehicle In the same way the vehicle of the Wolksvagen mark blue color with plates of circulation EYE - 80- 18 of the state of Coahuila, which the past Tuesday the unit was disturbed to them, and that was left wire drawing in center of the town, was assured by the Public ministry afternoon of this Monday and, transferred to the facilities of the Public Ministry of the Common Law. The bodies even continue in morgue Although mass media have already presented that corpses, of Martha Toullat Valverde and Matias Mezzeti these have been demanded, even remain even in the undertaker of this locality, awaiting which at any time their relatives demand their bodies and are transferred to their countries so that they bury to Christian to them.
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/15/2005 12:11:55 PM
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A pathetic few lines in the Times today, but that means there will be a followup story soon, so we'll keep looking for details. This is exactly the kind of thing that makes the uninitiated afraid to go to Mexico, we hate that.
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/16/2005 6:34:32 AM
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sctx
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isn't Francisco Hu May the little village about 10 miles west of Tulum on the Coba Rd???
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/16/2005 7:49:40 AM
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Steve O
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Uh-May is a small village south of Felipe Carrillo Puerto. About 110 kilometers from Tulum.
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/16/2005 10:33:28 AM
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jim
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It definitely seems that it was a very personal and isolated incident, most likely involving drugs or a revenge killing of some sort. This was posted on another message board.
Here's my summary of the December 12 article from Por Esto. I've followed it with the original text -- anyone who speaks Spanish better than I do is welcome to correct my translation!
Generally, the article states that the Spanish woman and Italian man entered the country through Mexico City three weeks ago and made their way to Tulum, where they planned to stay. They were tortured -- by being burned -- in a house, killed, and their bodies taken to the spot where they were dumped (according to other articles, in Hu-May, which is a small Mayan town on the way from Tulum to Coba).
It was almost certainly a crime of passion (i.e., personal). The person who tortured and killed them is suspected to be foreign and ex-military, and probably had one or more helpers. The couple was killed by machete or another sharp weapon, but they were first burned on some parts of their bodies.
She was a dive expert and he was going to take diving lessons. The authorities say they know a lot about their activities and movements before they were killed. The autopsy shows they were tortured but not violated (I'm guessing this means neither one was raped), and drug tests are thus far inconclusive. The bodies will be delivered to their families once the necessary examinations have been completed. (The next day's article says that the woman's father and brother have come from Spain to collect her body; the family of the man has not yet been reached.)
The authorities are reassuring the citizens that this is an isolated case that could have happened in any part of the world, and say they're confident that it will be solved soon.
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PLAYA DEL CARMEN, SOLIDARIDAD, 12 de diciembre.- Luego de destacar que se trata de un hecho aislado en el Estado y no hay por qué preocuparse, el titular de la PGJE, Bello Melchor Rodríguez, precisó que en los siguientes días tendrán resultados favorables del asesinato de la pareja de extranjeros, mismos que están identificados como Martha Taulats Valderdu, de 26 años, originaria de Barcelona, España, y Matías Mezzeti, de 25 años, de Italia, los cuales llegaron hace tres semanas, ingresaron al país vía ciudad de México y luego se trasladaron a Tulum; antes de ser ultimados, los cuerpos sufrieron tortura con quemaduras, según revela el dictamen del forense.
En visita de trabajo que realizó por esta cabecera municipal, el procurador del Estado enfatizó que cuenta con avances muy interesantes, porque el primer paso ya se ha dado al dar con los pasaportes de las personas sádicamente asesinadas, "andamos ya tras la pista y todo parece indicar que está apuntando hacia un extranjero y que también definitivamente no fueron asesinados en el lugar en donde se les encontró, sino que ahí se les tiró, seguramente los ultimaron en una casa habitación".
Aseguró que trabajan en varias pistas, las cuales deben de conducir en un tiempo rápido al esclarecimiento de los hechos, pero que por el momento y por cuestiones de sigilo no quieren entorpecer las investigaciones, así que no puede adelantar mayores datos, salvo que van por buen camino y que tenga la plena confianza la ciudadanía de la Riviera Maya que es un hecho totalmente aislado, que esto puede pasar en cualquier país del mundo.
En cuanto al móvil del crimen, Bello Melchor Rodríguez y Carrillo puntualizó que seguramente es pasional, por el tipo de lesiones que se dan. El dictamen del forense del perito de la PGJE es que a cada una de las personas se les torturó con quemaduras en algunas partes del cuerpo, no sólo fue el machete o arma punzocotante.
Afirmó que los dos eran turistas, habían venido como turistas, pero con intención de quedarse; la mujer era experta en buceo y quería quedarse a trabajar en Tulum, y el otro, italiano. "Ellos llegaron como pareja al país vía ciudad de México, el segundo quería tomar clases de buceo. Incluso tenemos a la persona con la que se entrevistaban, dónde iban a comer, dónde vivían, les habían prestado una casa en Francisco Uh May, que está rumbo a Cobá, y precisamente a poca distancia de donde tenían esa casa fue donde los tiraron", acotó el procurador.
Martha Taulats Valderdu, de 26 años, de Barcelona, y el italiano Matías Mezzeti de 25 años, como en vida respondían a sus nombres, quienes llegaron hace tres semanas como pareja, ingresaron al país vía ciudad de México y luego ya se trasladaron aquí a Tulum, por lo que de igual forma es probable que el extranjero que cometió el asesinato sea ex militar, pero que, sin duda alguna, éste contó con el apoyo de una o dos personas más.
A pregunta expresa si de acuerdo a necropsia hubo violación, puntualizó que definitivamente no, pero sí tortura, de drogas aún no se entregan los resultados. Los cuerpos, una vez que lo reclamen los cónsules o los familiares (que no ha sucedido), serán entregados, luego de que se hagan todos los exámenes necesarios.
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/19/2005 12:08:42 PM
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RM is a very safe place, but if you venture outside certain area's caution must be used. We forget that not to far away from our Roo is still a 3rd world.
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RE: News of slayings near Tulum - 12/19/2005 12:22:07 PM
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kate, you shouldn't be worried. As with anywhere, including in your own home town, you need to be aware of your surroundings. This was not a random act and this couple were not tourists on vacation. Subsequent reports last week indicated that they were looking to either buy into or start a business. And, the person who did this to them knew them. It was a personal grievence of some sort. That can happen anywhere.
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Never felt any negative vibes from anyone. (Will post trip details later.) Didn't hear about this sad incident, but then we didn't see TV, or read a paper the whole time. I agree, me thinks there is more to this story.
