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Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 3:04:04 PM   
Sharoon


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that people think because they are on vacation they can trespass over private property? As an owner down here it irks me to no end that people simply feel free to do that..We like our privacy, that is why we are where we are at at Punta Sur..and yet people will just start up your driveway or off the beach up your walkway like it is no big deal....seriously.....where is the respect?

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 3:06:28 PM   
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the human race lost that respect, common sense thing some where in the last 2 decades. Memememememememememememe is all we seem to know or care about now. Time to adopt a mexican mutt & place warning signs all over the place.

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 3:11:15 PM   
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Yes, they used to joke on here about "pool hopping". Ya know, talking about it is one thing, doing it is another. It costs a LOT of money to maintain property down here, especially when you are on the beach. We have had signs up and people ignore them. We are putting new ones up and next year, maybe a wall on the road side....sad.....

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 3:13:09 PM   
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What about a sign that says "Caution : snakes"

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 3:21:16 PM   
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quote:

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What about a sign that says "Caution : snakes"


hmmmmmmmmmmmm...hadn't thought f that one...or "Caution, pet panther"....

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 3:37:58 PM   
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Yes, something akin to 'Beware of the dog' but with a tropical twist.

Ron and I visited a vinyard in the Sonoma valley, several years ago. We arrived before they were open so we wandered around a bit - until we saw the sign "watch for rattlesnakes". I wandered right back, quite quickly!

But then I respect no tresspassing signs too.

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 4:38:20 PM   
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When we were on Solimon a couple of years ago some college kids made their way onto the beach somehow and plopped themselves down to use the palapa of the vacant villa next door. A couple more of them wandered down to Villa Iguana....also vacant.... and helped themselves to the pool.  I went over to the caretaker of the villa and tried as best I could to explain what was going on. Eventually he came out and shooed them away.
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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 4:55:08 PM   
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Sharon ~ I know that it doesn't compare to doing it on your private property but I noticed "trespassers" at Cabanas Tulum last May as well.

The herds of day trippers that would invade Ana y Jose's next door apparently never noticed that there is an obvious border between the two properties ~ they would spot the empty hammocks and chairs in front of the cabanas at CT and plop right down in them!!!  They never seemed to worry about whether it was ok or not ~ nor did they seem to worry about changing into their swimsuits in front of us!!!

I say go for the rattlesnake signs!!!

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 5:30:44 PM   
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Eh, when in Rome.... Maybe time for a high wall and a gate?

I had a friend who did missionary work in Belize. If you had anything you valued (food, jewelry, trinkets, whatever) You needed to lock it up in something that couldn't be removed. It was just the way things are down there that they would just help themselves to anything.

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 7:15:27 PM   
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Martha and I are still talking about a place down south...one thing we discussed is the problems on the beach....not the storms, but how do you protect what is yours....
I think we would rather be off the beach as much as I hate to say that....as long as we had a pool and access to the beach..

Now for your problem, it just takes a ticket and a few meals and I will be more than happy to watch your home.

Side bar.....drop me a PM.....would like to know your schedule and will let you know when we are heading soutn.

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 8:04:24 PM   
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quote:

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Martha and I are still talking about a place down south...one thing we discussed is the problems on the beach....not the storms, but how do you protect what is yours....
I think we would rather be off the beach as much as I hate to say that....as long as we had a pool and access to the beach..

Now for your problem, it just takes a ticket and a few meals and I will be more than happy to watch your home.

Side bar.....drop me a PM.....would like to know your schedule and will let you know when we are heading soutn.


Will do darlin! :-)

Maybe a beware of scorpions and snakes and spiders, oh MY!!! :-p At some point we will have help who live on the property. For the most part we don't have a problem. It is tourists who just think they can use any access they want to get wherever they want.. Frustrating....I just would never do that. But, nothing a wall and gate wouldn't stop. Next year, if we can afford it, that will happen. In the meantime, signs will help...maybe even a rope across the road too...don't know. I just hope that this serves as a reminder to all who travel south of the border to remember to respect others property rights.


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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 9:02:15 PM   
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I think a nice "Scorpion Farm - Free Range" would be a good idea..posted on roadside and beachfront.

I actually think a fence at the roadside isn't a bad idea. So many places down there have them, and it's one way to protect what's yours, and a good measure for security.

Want me to start crushing wine bottles for the jagged edge fence topping?


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RE: Why is it.... - 3/6/2013 9:07:00 PM   
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quote:

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Want me to start crushing wine bottles for the jagged edge fence topping?



I'll help you empty them!


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RE: Why is it.... - 3/7/2013 6:17:50 AM   
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Sharon, I really like Nipper's idea! A couple of years ago, I believe it was on the road in to Aktun Chen, we saw a street sign that had symbols of a spider, a snake and a scopion on it. Not sure where you could find them, but they would be perfect.

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/7/2013 6:56:15 AM   
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Are they just trying to access the beach? Maybe a sign stating "beach access this way" or something would work and the sign could direct them to an access point that wasn't through your property.

Or a little mexican rescue dog that likes to bark at anyone coming into "their" yard might help.

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/7/2013 6:59:43 AM   
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quote:

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What about a sign that says "Caution : snakes"


YES! I was at a park in Tucson years ago and the sign said "Rattlesnake Area". Gets your respect, for sure.

There ya go, 'Roonie. With all those rocks at your place this is the perfect idea.

Don't forget to make the sign in Spanish also.

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/7/2013 7:43:50 AM   
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Gosh, a little early in the am for me to try and think of creative solutions, but I sure sympathize with your problems.
Maybe because so many people have been told that all beaches in Mexico are public? That may be true, but ACCESS to them is not. At least as far as I know. In California where I live, the public access is the mean high tide line, not sure about Mexico.
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RE: Why is it.... - 3/7/2013 8:12:54 AM   
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i thought some one posted about having beach access on the forum.
that you have to provide it.
maybe it was dream over in detention

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/7/2013 8:34:28 AM   
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First world problem?
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RE: Why is it.... - 3/7/2013 8:52:03 PM   
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What if we bring wine, as an offereing to the pool gods?

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/7/2013 10:09:00 PM   
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How about a sign: "This property is insured by Smith and Wesson".

Not sure the Canucks would get this though!

Seruously though this would be  major pi** off for me if I was there.  People have really lost that natural deference to others that was the norm 30 or even 20 years ago.  Everything is about entitlement now.
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RE: Why is it.... - 3/8/2013 10:04:35 AM   
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I think the "public beach" is 20 meters above mean high tide. I'll dig a little deeper to find out for sure but that's what's been posted here.
This pretty much means if you build your house 21 meters from the high tide, people can come up to your windows and still be lawful. While I realize that everyone values their"private" property but there should be an awareness of the possibilities that anyone can come and use the beach at any time. If the loungers are within the Federal Zone they should be "fair game". It just comes with the territory. As things develop in the north, more folks will come south looking for a nice beach. That beach might just be in front of your house.

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The laws of Mexico determine that there is a strip of land on the beach that is considered as part of the Federal Public Domain of Mexico, as is the sea along the coast of Mexico.

This area comprises the full length of the beach along all of the coasts of Mexico and 20 meters in from the high tide of the sea at any one given location. This area is known as the Federal Maritime Land Zone of Mexico (ZoFeMaT = Zona Federal Maritimo Terrestre).

The laws of Mexico foresee the possibility that the owners of the land located adjacent to this Zone may apply for and normally receive a concession on that portion of the Zone that is adjacent to their property.

The office of government in Mexico that has direct control over these matters is the Federal General Administration of the Federal Maritime Land Zone(Dirección General de Zona Federal Maritimo Terrestre) , which is part of The Federal Sub-Ministry of Natural Resources (Subsecretaría de Recursos Naturales). This latter sub-ministry is part of the National Ministry of Ecological and Natural Resources (Secretaría de Medio Ambiente y Recursos Naturales).

The party that wishes the concession must file certain papers. Once granted, the government will charge the concessionaire an annual fee for the concession. In 1991 a decree was issued by the the executive branch of the federal government which stipulated that if such property was located on a cliff above a 30 degree angle from the beach, that said property would no longer be considered ZFMT property. There is a process to be completed to have the property declared outside the zone. If outside the zone, then it is possible to consider it private property and take title to it.




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RE: Why is it.... - 3/8/2013 10:05:19 AM   
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quote:

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How about a sign: "This property is insured by Smith and Wesson".

Not sure the Canucks would get this though!

Seruously though this would be  major pi** off for me if I was there.  People have really lost that natural deference to others that was the norm 30 or even 20 years ago.  Everything is about entitlement now.

very discriptive word, that , entitlement,
not to be uh, well you know,,,,,,,,

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/8/2013 10:19:35 AM   
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I used to live in a fairly famous property as the caretaker. I was on lifestyles of Rich and Famous, Tom Brokaw, in NY Times....and many others. I would wake up in the mornings to the site of strangers peeping in my bedroom window, LITERALLY. People would show up and knock and demand a free tour at all hours of the day and night, with no respect or concern for the fact of whether or not it is a home or people actually live there and someone owns it. People would threaten to tell my boss (who by the way, stated no free tours and no unscheduled tours). I guess what I am really saying is I am sympathetic towards how you must feel, and that this situation is a world wide problem.

A funny story is that one day, we were working on a small construction project within, when there was a knock at the door. I answered it and there were two men standing there. I did not recognize them, nor care who they were. One of them said 'I am Oliver Stone" (and he actually was, I just didn't recognize him and it was right at the time where he started to have a lot of popularity) and he intro'ed the person he was with. I turned them away. I said 'no unscheduled tours, sorry.'

As it turned out, he was coming to the property to see if it would be appropriate to film the video 'Thriller' with Michael Jackson. The property I was caretaking was a world famous house built in a cave originally as a bomb shelter and turned into a mansion in a cave.

I wish you the best of luck in keeping people off your property. I am not sure how the laws, etc are there in terms of protecting you. I know in the where I live now, you can own property on the lake, however the corps of engineer owns the property for so many feet between your property and the water. This means that people can get right out in front of you and your property. Seems unfair but its the way it is.

As someone who is part American Indian, I always remember the land was stolen from its original owners anyway, here in the US.

Sorry for my off topic discussion but hopefully you can see I am sympathetic to the situation and others will be to. Best of luck.

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RE: Why is it.... - 3/8/2013 10:28:23 AM   
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im sorry it was me... i just wanted to do some random pool jumping while i was there


kidding!
I recommend this

Beware of dog sign - I heard if you have this beware of dog sign along with in sight used dog dishes - this will ward off intruders :) same applies to single ladies living alone

spiders and scorpion signs would work also - but might attract the curious people who just want to see them LOL - some people are just downright stupd and rude!
get em Sharoon!

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