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The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 12:22:50 PM
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Badger
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Looks like Secrets Akumal. 
This story was sent to me by a friend who lives down there.
It was posted today in "El Economista".
(Red highlights added by me)
Cancun, Qroo. AMResorts chain has an investment plan in Mexico for the next four years to 1.600 million in various hotel projects, of which four (one already built) is located in the Caribbean.
The first $ 150 million and capitalized on the recent opening of its hotel Secrets The Vine in Cancun, Zoëtry class, the most exclusive of the chain. Alejandro Zozaya Gorostiza, group managing director, said that the commitment to the Mexican Caribbean is the most important of the firm, then, with the recent opening of the latter property, and 13 units are operating in Cancun and the Riviera Maya with a sustained load factor of 80 percent.
In 2013, added two more hotels, having assumed the operation of four properties in Cozumel. The four units will be merged into two large resorts and Sunscape called Secrets Aura Cozumel Sabor. "The initial investment was $ 10 million, but when completed and adopted quality standards AMResorts, will have invested around 21 million," said Zozaya Gorostiza.
THE CARIBBEAN
Also planned for 2013 is the start of construction of three new hotels, of which already have names even. Dreams is the Playa Mujeres, in the municipality of Isla Mujeres, which will have 448 rooms and is projected to open its doors in August 2014. The Secrets Akumal, of 420 rooms, which opens in December of 2014, and the Cancun-Riviera Breathless, a complex of 500 rooms in Petempich Bay, which will be ready in 2015.
In them, the chain will invest $ 360 million. Furthermore, after announcing a partnership with Dolphin Discovery, invested 15 million dollars in a resort dolphinarium for operating in Puerto Aventuras (Riviera Maya).
JALISCO, Huatulco and NAYARIT
His other big bet in Mexico, he said, is in Los Cabos, where your hotel is under construction called Secrets of $ 130 million. By the end of 2013, also plans to open a boutique hotel in the Riviera Nayarit, "coupled with the two that just opened in Puerto Vallarta, Jalisco, and one in Huatulco, which is our second hotel in Oaxaca."
He said the commitment to Mexico is about to test profitability crisis, because even during this 2012 there was a drop in U.S. tourism, the decline could be replaced with emerging markets.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 12:34:45 PM
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That is not a long stretch of land along the bay. Could become very crowded on the beach like some other AIs I have seen.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 12:35:49 PM
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So much for all the talk about a "density" clause for Akumal....looks like that was by-passed somehow? But that happens in other countries as well. I have such a love for Akumal but I have never seen so many people as this year on the beaches and in the bay. We were there on the 19th of Jan. and this is usually the softer high season time just after Christmas & New Years. I did hear from a local source about the Dreams owner buying it...there was talk of upscale apts. but I guess the hotel thing makes more sense for that company. I also noticed that on the beach at ABR there were more and more people that were not staying at ABR on the beach infront of the palapas...I imagine because there was just no sand area to be had intron of LoHa.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 12:37:23 PM
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So...If I understand this...when all is said and done, ABR will be right next to Secrets, which will be right next to Hotel Akumal Caribe??
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I also noticed that on the beach at ABR there were more and more people that were not staying at ABR on the beach infront of the palapas.
I noticed this also. Doubt Secrets will be as lenient.
I wonder how they will control the day tripper traffic....
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 1:20:26 PM
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ABR will have to step up their game to compete with Secrets... or they can not change anything, up their rates and still be the budget property on the bay. It's all relative. ABR can still host day trips. While you can restrict beach access via private beachfront property, once someone's on the beach, it's my understanding beaches in Mexico are ALL public. You can stop people from using amenities of a resort of other private property (chairs, palapas, etc), but I don't think you can do anything about then walking through or even pulling up a towel on the sand. Maybe I'm wrong about that?
Isn't some of that land HAC land too?
I'm sure the Bush family and other business owners are probably pretty excited about this... if it actually happens. With Lol Ha and the dive shops right there, and the Ukana only a stroll away, and resort guests being able to walk, golf cart or be shuttled to Yal Ku, this should increase business for all the Akumal shops, restaurants and bars.
So anyone still believe Akumal is a strong supporter or reef and environmental conservation, protection and sustainable growth? IF this actually does happen... and it's Mexico, so announcing it doesn't make it real just yet... then concern and interest for protecting anything, imo, will be a pretty tough sell.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 1:22:37 PM
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is secrets an adults only place?
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 1:26:56 PM
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My biggest concern over this whole thing will be the construction runoff. Water contaminated with concrete and steel runoff can't be a good thing for the aquifers. They are already dealing with huge sewage problems. Maybe they will make them construct this in a way to improve the system but I seriously doubt it. It's all about the pesos.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 1:26:57 PM
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is secrets an adults only place?
Yes, and upscale. I'm not a resort person, and don't usually spend $$$$ on accommodations, but I've been tempted when I've seen good deals on a couple Secrets properties. They're very nice.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 1:31:37 PM
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Isn't some of that land HAC land too?
HAC has sold off a large portion of their land, their beach is 1/4 (if that) of what it used to be, with the sold off portion now roped off. The Spa structure is looking as dilapitated as the Moonrise palapa. HAC no longer rent beach chairs to the public. Their smaller beach is now exclusively for the hotel guests.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 1:37:15 PM
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My biggest concern over this whole thing will be the construction runoff. Water contaminated with concrete and steel runoff can't be a good thing for the aquifers. They are already dealing with huge sewage problems. Maybe they will make them construct this in a way to improve the system but I seriously doubt it. It's all about the pesos.
Renato, the manager at the ABR, told several of us in November that they were working closely with CEA on the design of the new sewage treatment plants.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 1:47:18 PM
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My biggest concern over this whole thing will be the construction runoff. Water contaminated with concrete and steel runoff can't be a good thing for the aquifers. They are already dealing with huge sewage problems. Maybe they will make them construct this in a way to improve the system but I seriously doubt it. It's all about the pesos.
Renato, the manager at the ABR, told several of us in November that they were working closely with CEA on the design of the new sewage treatment plants.
Same thing all the properties on that bay have said for years. And then there's the outlet points from what comes down from the pueblo. I've heard the same line for years. Nothing has changed so far. If it does, great, but it's just as likely to still be in the plans 10 yrs from now as it has been for the last 10.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 1:54:32 PM
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Another 800+ people on the bay.
Really?
Seriously!?!?
I think the very real possibility exists that ABR will cease to exist. However, in the short term, it makes no sense to kill the proverbial cash cow.
I mean, what if it was YOUR business? And for the sake of argument, lets sweep all moral, environmental and ethical issues aside and concentrate solely on profits (and for many people, that's what it's all about).
In the "normal" timeline of business expansion, contraction and closure, do you:
A) Make a grand announcement that within the next 8-12 months the place is going to be razed - therefore no improvements, repairs or replacement of worn items (some of the the bedsheets are double "see-thru" lingerie) will be implemented. But if you want to stay here, we're more than happy to take your money and hope you can overlook the rapidly diminishing quality and level of service. If you stayed there 5 years ago and have visited in the last 6 months, the changes for the worse are glaringly evident.
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B) Keep future plans a secret as long as possible and periodically mention vague, hazy plans to spruce the place up or build new facilities... All with a smile. No timeline, no blueprints and no discernible improvement in the aforementioned "quality and level of service". Most of the RM resorts make a big deal out of refurbishment planes. Riu Palace Mexico and Riu Yucatan made a big marketing push with their months-long closures and subsequent Grand Openings.
At this point, all anyone can do is wait and see, but I think I would rather see a new resort with an efficient, clean and "eco-friendlier" footprint on the local environment replace the aging ABR than cramming an ADDITIONAL resort on the bay.
Hey, just an opinion...
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 2:26:25 PM
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This is sad to hear but figured it was just a matter ot time. For some reason I felt this trip would be the last one where the beach area would never. Again be the same. Wonder how long before the south beach of Tulum gets a couple of mega resorts?.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 3:37:59 PM
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I knew it was only a matter of time before this beautiful, peaceful paradise would be exploited. I am mostly concerned about pollution of the cenotes and bay. Even if the resorts put in proper sewage treatment, the runoff from the pueblo which will continue to increase in population will contaminate the water, increasing algae and unbalance the eco system. With more and more people in the bay, I am afraid the turtles will be disturbed. Money talks.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 3:42:38 PM
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Since all we are doing is speculating I will throw in mine. I have no new special knowledge, just a guess.
This could be good for the bay, here's why I think so.
If Secrets plans to invest big bucks in a new upscale resort on the bay do you think they would do it without first making sure that their guests could have a quality vacation? I don't.
Right now the bay is over run with van loads, busloads and boatloads of day trippers coming to see the turtles and use the beach. All beaches in Mexico are public up to some distance from the waterline (30 feet?) so as long as there is public access allowed they can legally use it. I believe the Lol Ha owns all the property over to the CEA property line. Then, South of them, the new resort (if it happens) will own everything over to the ABR and the ABR will own everything to the South of their property. So technically, between these four properties they could shut off or limit any public access to the beach through their property. That's currently the way Yal Ku operates. This is strictly a guess, but if Secrets bought land from both ABR and Lol Ha don't you think there would have had to be some kind of agreement that they would limit access to the beach? Without such an agreement the new resort would not have a very inviting beach, having to share it with hundreds and hundreds of day trippers.
If this were true, and as a guestimate 10% of the new resort visitors were snorkeling at the same time, that would only be at most 80 people. Add in the ones staying at ABR and Lol Ha and that's still not going to equal the number now. And since these properties could now charge people to cross their property to get to the bay they would have total control, just like Yal Ku currently operates. That's many less than there are there now on a busy day. So overall if my guesses are correct, this could result in much less total pressure on the reef and the bay. With a little help from the harbormaster with the boats it might be all good.
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RE: The New Resort Next to the ABR will be.... - 2/9/2013 4:23:19 PM
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ABR will have to step up their game to compete with Secrets... or they can not change anything, up their rates and still be the budget property on the bay. It's all relative. ABR can still host day trips. While you can restrict beach access via private beachfront property, once someone's on the beach, it's my understanding beaches in Mexico are ALL public. You can stop people from using amenities of a resort of other private property (chairs, palapas, etc), but I don't think you can do anything about then walking through or even pulling up a towel on the sand. Maybe I'm wrong about that?
Isn't some of that land HAC land too?
I'm sure the Bush family and other business owners are probably pretty excited about this... if it actually happens. With Lol Ha and the dive shops right there, and the Ukana only a stroll away, and resort guests being able to walk, golf cart or be shuttled to Yal Ku, this should increase business for all the Akumal shops, restaurants and bars.
So anyone still believe Akumal is a strong supporter or reef and environmental conservation, protection and sustainable growth? IF this actually does happen... and it's Mexico, so announcing it doesn't make it real just yet... then concern and interest for protecting anything, imo, will be a pretty tough sell.
I'm with you on this one.
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