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RE: Chinese Dragonmart!??! - 1/25/2013 3:13:01 PM
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IN MPLS BILL
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THIS IS JUST WRONG FOR MEXICO the ships will do nothing but harm the sea area there are way to many people already there I guess money talks this is why we go to cozumel
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RE: Chinese Dragonmart!??! - 1/25/2013 4:35:14 PM
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panesh
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I was talking to one of my Mexican friends last Friday and he brought this up. They are going to bring in their own labor force and basically screw the locals. He was very upset about it. It is happening now. This isn't just a plan, they're moving very fast with this.
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RE: Chinese Dragonmart!??! - 1/27/2013 11:16:40 PM
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karl j
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God, I hate China.
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RE: Chinese Dragonmart!??! - 1/28/2013 11:19:28 AM
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reefhugger
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Dragonmart is like a massive everything store. Clothing, furniture, hardware, household goods, appliances & electronics... think of Sears + Home Depot on steroids. Of course they'll get business from residents. They're going to fill a big retail/consumer good void. Lots of variety of merchandise in a "one stop shop" at good prices. While I might not like seeing Sams, Walmart, etc., in Q.Roo, I do know people who live there who love having more options then they did 10-15 yrs ago. Lots of locals love having these stores too. Same goes for the bigger groceries opening south of Playa. and the US fast food chains.
I don't see how, with Mexico's labor laws, anyone could bring in their own nationals to build something. I know the Chinese are doing this at a resort development in the Bahamas, but that's a different country, different laws. Mexico requires a certain number of Mexican nationals per every foreigner a business employs.
Over the 20 some years I've been going to this part of Mexico, there's been many project talked about, written about, locals knew exactly what was going on and didn't like it (except you can get 5 different versions of what's happening if you talk to a dozen different people...). Until there's actually ground broken and buildings going up, nothing is happening or is a sure thing to happen.
Read the 1/24 article link I posted. They need several permits and some departments that are supposed to do studies and provide permits don't even have a record of any applications.
At the end of the day, this is really an issue for the residents and their governments to hash out. Might not be a popular opinion, but honestly, we've done a pretty good job of destroying and degrading our own coastlines, reefs and environment in general. If more people in this country got as hot and bothered about the coastline and environmental degradation from development in their own country as they do about the places they spend a few weeks a year, imagine the difference we'd make to our own waters and land.
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RE: Chinese Dragonmart!??! - 1/28/2013 11:32:21 AM
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If more people in this country got as hot and bothered about the coastline and environmental degradation from development in their own country as they do about the places they spend a few weeks a year, imagine the difference we'd make to our own waters and land.
(Applause)
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RE: Chinese Dragonmart!??! - 1/28/2013 11:40:03 AM
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reefhugger
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ORIGINAL: IN MPLS BILL
THIS IS JUST WRONG FOR MEXICO the ships will do nothing but harm the sea area there are way to many people already there I guess money talks this is why we go to cozumel
Get off it, please. I spend more time in Cozumel then I do on the mainland, but before you start touting Cozumel as the environmental king or example of non-commercialism, get a few facts straight. When the government allowed Carnival Corp to build their cruise ship facility, the marine park lines were moved to allow for pier construction and a good portion of Paradise Reef was destroyed in the process. Now with the new caleta development, more damage was done to that same area. Sand, lots of it, for the mainland beaches was taken from the north end of Cozumel after Hurricane Wilma. The are it was stripped from is a natural conch breeding area and here aren't many of those left in the Caribbean. They've also entertained the prospect of a Trump development on the NE side of the island, which is currently protected land. Oh, and then the wind farm that is also still on the table. Local groups on the island are lobbying hard to do what they can to make sure the east side is not developed and the wind farm doesn't move forward.
On top of the reef and environmental poor choices, you do know that the island also has US chains now? Sams Club, and a few fast food places. There's also a lot of Mexican big retailers on the island.
It's fine that you don't agree with the possible Dragonmart coming into the Cancun area, however, insinuating that Cozumel is non-commercial, always makes the most sound environmental choices, and that money doesn't "talk" there is untrue. I hope that the protected areas of the island stay that way, but if or when it changes to a point I no longer enjoy it, I'll move on and find someplace else more suited to what where I want to spend my time. The decision of what to do with their land, what to allow on it, etc., is theirs.
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RE: Chinese Dragonmart!??! - 1/28/2013 1:09:26 PM
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reefhugger
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I just do not think it is our place to protest because it is not our country. Now if they were abusing people or something like that then I could see trying to get international attention, but it doesn't seem right to butt in for what is essentially a big shopping center.
Absolutely!
While so many Americans are all, "I hate China," we sure don't want to give up access and variety of reasonably priced consumer goods, and in effect, WE created the manufacturing monster that China's become. We're all very vocal when it comes to US minimum wage, benefits, working conditions, labor laws, unions, etc., but even though we know China and many other countries don't have the same for their workers, it doesn't stop us from buying their goods or expecting variety and shelves full at our various big box stores and discount department stores.
I just think that before anyone gets all up in arms about something being built in another country, or deciding what's best for people and environment there, take a look at yourself first. Don't be a hypocrite.
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RE: Chinese Dragonmart!??! - 1/28/2013 4:47:28 PM
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reefhugger
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Seagoat, that is a really good point. As I noticed a pretty big Italian base in Playa Del Carmen now. How do the locals feel about that? Interesting point.
I think it is wrong how they are doing it myself, no matter who it is. If they were employing all the mexicans, different story. I just won't shop there. My choice.
I was just laying out some facts I read. And some opinions too I guess, hehehe.
We do it to ourselves in all our countries too I guess. So, just gotta do what ya believe you think is right.
Cheers!
Doug 
Dragonmart is a combo or wholesale and retail "at wholesale prices" You can actually buy from them in the US in USD online.
Mexican law does require that businesses employ a specific number of Mexican Nationals per each foreigner they employ... but keep in mind, you don't have to be born in a country to get citizenship. Tourism business also have requirements that owners and management have to be fluent in Spanish. Or at least these things did apply at one point not that far in the past. I have friends with businesses that have had to pass written and verbal Spanish tests to renew their "papers" since they owned and operated business where the main clientele are tourists.
Whatever this particular dragonmart will focus on, wholesale or retail... assuming of course it ever gets built... it's really up to the planners, communities and governments in the area to decide. Why it's OK for us to have put millions of Americans out of work to have things made in China, stock our store shelves and homes with the goods, and not ok for Mexico?
We don't have a dragonmart in the US because we just went and set up shop there, and let Chinese corporations come and buy our manufacturing facilities here in the US too. That kind of eliminates the need to showcase goods and provide distribution centers.
A government at any level having money factor into a decsion?  Having tourism be the main industry is great when people in your biggest markets have the money to travel and the weather is lovely, but when they don't, then what? Something like this would bring in buyers from all over the country on a regular basis. Maybe they'll bring the family and stay for a week's vacation.
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...uhm I do believe that is legislated as per their "one child per family" policy. 
