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Drowning ? - 1/15/2013 9:44:28 PM
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EdNSue
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Talked to my cousin today and he said his brother was diving in akumal last week and seen a man waving for help. They went over there and he helped pull a woman in his the boat and took her to shore, Was giving CPR, and then she was getting CPR on shore, He said it didn't look real good. Any news on this?
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 7:37:00 AM
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Jamie
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So sad, if true may she RIP.
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 8:40:22 AM
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A friend who just visited there last week saw a man deceased on the beach. My husband read the local news this morning.
He was 67 years old from Germany. He and his wife were staying in Playa del Carmen and on a daytrip with a tour. He told his wife while in the water he was not feeling well and having trouble breathing, he fainted. Lost vital signs. People tried to help him. Most likely a heart attack. I guess he laid on the beach with a towel over him witha security person standing over him for several hours my friend said until forensics came and took him.
http://www.lapoliciaca.com/nota-roja/fallece-aleman-mientras-nadaba-en-la-playa-de-akumal/
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 9:35:29 AM
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Red flags out when this happened I heard. Such a shame!
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 10:08:25 AM
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It was us who saw the man on the beach. The lifeguards worked on him for a very long time, pumping his chest, giving him oxgyen/cpr.
Then what we believe to be EMT's showed up and they tried to shock him (I think...we didn't get too close although there were lots of people all around, taking pics on their cells phones, etc. - we felt this was disrespectful and stayed away).
We could see that the man was turning blue and things didn't look good. Then at some point, they finally gave up.
We walked away in tears - this was our last night of our trip. Very sad way to end the vacation.
I found it interesting that a lot of people were just walking by or partying just down the beach and didn't seem to even care that this man had just lost his life. Perhaps they weren't aware. Who knows. It just caught me as odd.
After a couple of hours, we thought we would then attempt another beach walk, figuring that by this time, they had taken the deceased man away - but no - he was STILL laying there with a blue towel over most of his body with a security guard standing over him.
Thank you, jlooneyb for finding out the news story that was posted. We felt so terrible for the family and pray for their comfort.
On a positive note - I must say, that when MY time comes, I hope to be in a beautiful place such as Akumal.
We had 3 red flag days on the bay last week. The snorkeling was not very good, so they didn't have the snorkel tours out those days. We were calling the red flag days - "Save The Reef Days" because there weren't as many people in the water.
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 12:31:38 PM
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rpm20
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we had the same thing happen at the abr in 2011.
lucky for the man from sweden there were some who got him to shore then a man from canada took over from the locals and between his cpr and a doctor from mke and myself he was breathing and taken to pd then air lifted to texas.
he looked gone when we arrived, purple and unresponsive but we got him back. when doing cpr never give up until professionals arrive.....or the mexican ambulance , which is as close as you get in akumal.
sad , but it does happen a lot it seems.
our prayers are with the family rpm20
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 12:46:58 PM
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I am so sorry for the family.
And I hate to say this, but I think it is so ridiculous not to have a defibrillator at the life guard stand or Lol Ha. CPR is great, but if they could have shocked him earlier that might have really made a difference. They ought to make the tour companies pay for one.
So true Crunch. There was a man on the beach in August while we were there, they were giving him CPR for a long time. Ambulance came in behind HAC and to the fench at ABR and they eventually loaded him onto the amublance and took him to the hospital. We don't know the fate of that man, but hope he survived.
I have seen snorkel tours out on red flag days, rainy/cold days. We have also been approached by lifeguards to say NO snorkeling unless you stay in the roped area (directly in front of Lolha) and have a snorkel vest on...so there are both ends of the spectrum going on here.
Just recently at the end of November, when the water was VERY CALM the snorkel tours were taking their groups out BEYOND the furthest red bouy...!! We figured, if they can - we can. Amazingly beautiful and different out there, but not somewhere I'd EVER GO unless it was calm. You are basically out, even with the breakers - but in the boat lane...,.
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 1:09:28 PM
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I have seen snorkel tours out on red flag days, rainy/cold days. We have also been approached by lifeguards to say NO snorkeling unless you stay in the roped area (directly in front of Lolha) and have a snorkel vest on...so there are both ends of the spectrum going on here.
On really rough days the tour groups are perhaps the only snorkelers out there. But no doubt they are there. I feel bad for the customers who obliviously follow them out into that choppy murky bay. Can't be fun.
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 1:19:08 PM
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This seems to happen once or twice a year.
I'm still surprised somebody hasn't been carved up like a spiral ham be a boat propeller.
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 4:28:43 PM
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I am so sorry for the family.
And I hate to say this, but I think it is so ridiculous not to have a defibrillator at the life guard stand or Lol Ha. CPR is great, but if they could have shocked him earlier that might have really made a difference. They ought to make the tour companies pay for one.
I'm not sure an AED would have a very long life in a place like Akumal, especially if it was outside every day. Sea air doesn't treat electronics too well, and sand would easily get into it too. The pads are packaged in foil packs. The heat and humidity I'm guessing would effect their stickiness after awhile. It would be nice if at least one dive shop on Akumal Bay had one and could keep it easily accessible but out of the elements. Not every cardiac arrest will have a "shockable rhythm," but the ones that do, if CPR is started early and effectively, and an AED is available and used as soon as possible, at least there's a higher chance of a good outcome.
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when doing cpr never give up until professionals arrive.....or the mexican ambulance , which is as close as you get in akumal.
rpm20, I don't know the private companies, but the Cruz Roja ambulances in Mexico do have trained EMTs and/or Paramedics on board. Who are the "professionals" arriving on scene other than EMS? A doctor or nurse on vacation usually isn't traveling with his bag of meds or carrying around IV lines. Even in the US, unless someone has the right meds to push, can hook up a 12 lead and run a EKG to see what's really going on, EMTs and medics in the ambulance are your best bet. After early intervention of good quality CPR, and if available and applicable, an AED, what the person needs is fast transport to a hospital.
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 4:29:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: crunch
I am so sorry for the family.
And I hate to say this, but I think it is so ridiculous not to have a defibrillator at the life guard stand or Lol Ha. CPR is great, but if they could have shocked him earlier that might have really made a difference. They ought to make the tour companies pay for one.
+1
I just did a quick Google search and an AED can be purchased for around $2000 US. If the snorkel tour companies took $1 from each snorkeler ticket, they'd have the cost in what - a week?
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 5:29:45 PM
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Getting an AED isn't the hard part. Keeping it in working order in a beach environment, getting enough pads for it (they're one time use), keeping it properly maintained, that's the harder part when you're dealing with a beach environment, and Mexico.
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 10:01:49 PM
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reefhugger
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If it only works once, it pays for itself many times over.
http://aedclp.com/AED-Carry-Storage-Cases/AED-Hard-Sided-Waterproof-Carry-Case
I work in EMS and the fire service, I bring stuff down for the Cruz Roja and have worked (volunteered) at events with them and the bomberos. What we think of as "affordable" and well worth the money, to them is often out of reach. The price for something that you might not be able to service or get the required parts for (like the pads.... not cheap, and not made in Mexico), although you know it could be life saving, it's not always feasible.
More people trained in CPR and an EMS station closer to Akumal would be a huge difference in lives saved.
Sad fact is that most cardiac arrests do not have a positive outcome, especially with adults. When you add in that it takes place in water far from shore, the odds are even lower. I would like nothing more than every cardiac arrest ending in a "save," but that's not likely to happen.
Best case I think would be one of the dive shops to have an AED that was maintained an operational. Start CPR on the boat bringing the patient in... maybe call ahed to have the AED brought out to meet the boat, or someone assigned to jump off and fetch it while CPR is in progress.
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 10:35:15 PM
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(I think...we didn't get too close although there were lots of people all around, taking pics on their cells phones, etc. - we felt this was disrespectful and stayed away).
What is it with people. This s#&t drives me crazy. I feel for his family and it is sad that a holiday has to end this way.
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/16/2013 10:55:54 PM
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Bonnie
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Getting an AED isn't the hard part. Keeping it in working order in a beach environment, getting enough pads for it (they're one time use), keeping it properly maintained, that's the harder part when you're dealing with a beach environment, and Mexico.
If only the answer was as easy as it seems at first glance, eh?
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RE: Drowning ? - 1/17/2013 5:02:44 AM
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A very sad situation in many ways.
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Without getting too graphic, I will just say that it was a very caustic environment. The equipment lived in sealed ABS plastic boxes that were impervious to the ambient conditions. Access to the equipment was very easy via snap latches. 
