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RE: Hurricane Ernesto Update Thread - 8/8/2012 6:45:51 PM
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Steve O
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Came back from driving part way around the east side of Cozumel. The road is blocked off with the police out there but if you talk to them they will let you drive around. They just wanted to make sure no one went swimming. Went as far as Chen Rio as I was low on gas and saw no damage at all. A little sand on the road in a few spots and one area with a few small rocks. The turtle nests look in good shape but it is hard to tell. The trucks were out there checking on them. I stopped south of Senior Iguanas to see what shells washed up and found a dead baby turtle. I believe the baby ones that have been released had a harder time than the nests.There was no rain today and the sun was trying to come out. Cozumel suffered no damage as far as I could see. The streets are clean with no debris and the people are waiting for tourists. I would post photos but didn't bring the right cord to download them from the camera I brought with.
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RE: Hurricane Ernesto Update Thread - 8/8/2012 7:55:56 PM
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Hawkeye
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Please allow me to hijack this thread to the most important part of the ordeal ... All alcohol sales were cut off yesterday by the government ... I went to lunch at lol ha today and still no alcohol could be sold ... Tonight, the return to normalcy, I was getting liquored up again ...
Half moon bay has seen a dramatic increase in sand on the beach ... to the extent where the area in front of Playa Caribe has more then a foot more sand then before the storm ... we had swells in the pool, but it brought a lot of sand with it ...
Anyway, its safe to return ... Alcohol is flowing again (although to very small crowds) ...
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RE: Hurricane Ernesto Update Thread - 8/8/2012 9:14:13 PM
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mngardener
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I'm behind the times up here in Minnesota. First, I don't go to weather sites when there is a chance of storms in Akumal, I come here. Solman, if we are ever in the slice of heaven at the same time, open bar baby.
To those that live in Mexico and to all the locals, how do we thank you? We come into this beautiful country and receive nothing but love from the people while we are there. The "foreigners" are given the best spots to come in and party while the locals clean up after us. CEA tries to keep a balance and works hard to be the voice of the reef and it is a thankless job. This is our vacation spot, this is THEIR HOME. Thank you to ALL THE LOCAL CITIZENS.
To all mentioned, I would like to award you the gold loco medal of honor.
See you in October as I introduce the area to a great friend.
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RE: Hurricane Ernesto Update Thread - 8/8/2012 9:49:20 PM
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SolMan
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'm behind the times up here in Minnesota. First, I don't go to weather sites when there is a chance of storms in Akumal, I come here. Solman, if we are ever in the slice of heaven at the same time, open bar baby.
Trying to catch up and reading backward after a long day away outside at work... I appreciate your kind words, but these threads would be nothing without the massive contributions of many others who really work together to "complete the picture". That said, "open bar" definitely got my attention!  And right back atcha. Better yet, if Shifty is there, we'll let him buy the first round!
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RE: Hurricane Ernesto Update Thread - 8/8/2012 10:16:42 PM
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mngardener
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'm behind the times up here in Minnesota. First, I don't go to weather sites when there is a chance of storms in Akumal, I come here. Solman, if we are ever in the slice of heaven at the same time, open bar baby.
Trying to catch up and reading backward after a long day away outside at work... I appreciate your kind words, but these threads would be nothing without the massive contributions of many others who really work together to "complete the picture". That said, "open bar" definitely got my attention! And right back atcha. Better yet, if Shifty is there, we'll let him buy the first round!
I bow to the members of this board, apologies for leaving anyone out. Members here have 1.) introduced me to my "happy place" 2.) given me wisdom and guidance that no book could cover and most importantly, 3.) Who mixes the best drinks.
Group hug.
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RE: Hurricane Ernesto Update Thread - 8/8/2012 10:18:38 PM
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Hope someone got pics of the ocean near the Tulum ruins. As amazing as the sea looked at GP, I bet it was a thousand times cooler down there. We went back again today to watch the big waves. Hypnotizing! And thanks for all the info in this thread. You helped alleviate my anxiety about Ernesto and make this an adventure rather than a reason to hide in my hotel room.
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RE: Hurricane Ernesto Update Thread - 8/8/2012 10:18:53 PM
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Gem
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just saying...SolMan...thanks for all the info!
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RE: Tropical Storm Ernesto Update Thread - 8/9/2012 12:06:38 AM
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SolMan
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I'm none of those and I've never thought I was. It was an honest question with no other intention. With your enthusiasm and interest in tropical systems, I was honestly just curious.
Okay, Reef. Sorry if your question was interpreted here as more of an accusation, but hey, It was a long day and night of watching the landfall, and I had literally three hours of sleep before I had to get up for work.
And sorry for the delayed response, but I'm backtracking through the thread a bit.
I don't really like talking about myself much, but the initial question in your post, taken at face value, is fair, so I'm going to try to make this answer to it as short and yet concise as possible, because I certainly don't mind answering. Please forgive me if I go into a bit of detail, but the background is probably necessary to fully and fairly answer your question and avoid any misunderstanding.
I've never made it a secret on this board that I'm most definitely not a professional meteorologist, and have in fact gone out of my way in the past to let everyone reading these threads know this. I like aggregating information from different sources into a something that makes sense to people, and I really don't like giving out travel advice other than to tell someone what I would personally do, while emphasizing that ultimately, each individual's decision is personal and up to them.
That said, I have a passion for weather - all types - that, from what my parents told me, goes back to when I was five years old. At one point in life, I considered actually getting into it professionally, but reconsidered when one of the promets here in my city, who is a personal friend of mine and a well-known (around here) meteorologist going on 40+ years, advised me not to, if I wanted to retain my passion for it. I.e, when something you love becomes your job, you sometimes lose your enthusiasm for it.
So I stayed out of the profession and just continued to learn for my own enjoyment. I have a very solid textbook and field knowledge of meteorology, especially in the area of severe storms, and to this day continue to seek out and learn new things about it.
Growing up here in Tornado Alley did give me exposure to some of the most incredible, and sometimes hair-raising, experiences of my life. From watching tornadoes develop literally 400 yards away to having my vehicle struck by lightning and fry all of the electronics during a chase... and little things like getting to meet Reed Timmer before he was "Reed Timmer" (just a very young chaser at the time who I bumped into at a gas station, and his name stuck because it just seemed kinda odd). Don't chase very much anymore, but someday I hope to have the time.
No, I've never been through a hurricane, and I don't recall ever making a secret of that.
Personal interaction with something can but doesn't necessarily make one knowledgeable on the matter. Passion is also key here.
Example: On Monday night, I sat and watched while a room full of what mostly seemed to be kids landed a car-sized robot in a precise landing zone on the surface of Mars after lobbing it up in the sky and letting it travel through millions of miles of space for 36 months, making precision mid-course corrections along the way to ensure the craft nailed the landing zone. Today, it's sending us pictures from the surface of Mars, a result of a room full of mostly kids who've never been to space and probably will never go. But I guarantee you that any one of these kids can school you and I in the laws of spaceflight and Newtonian Mechanics.
Closest I ever came to one was Dean, and my flight was scheduled out just as the locals were completing their boarding up. I posted pics of this here the day after I got back. The Lol-Ha was trucking out their tables and chairs the day I left, and I was truly bummed out, because I'd really love to experience one once in my life, although, when you get down to it, it's just a lot of strong wind and rain blowing things down.
Which is why when Shifty and I kid back and forth about flying down for one, we're really not even half-kidding.
I've gone through a lot of asphalt and .35mm film in my fascination with severe weather over the years, and if there's one thing I've personally learned from an "on the ground" level, it's this: Reliable reporting is a binary process.
1) Someone, or, preferably, a group of people watching and having an understanding of the big picture... radar, satellite, atmospheric conditions, computer-generated forecast models - and a litany of other things - and passing those things along to the observers on the ground.
2) Observers on the ground in multiple places. One person in one place providing info is good, but at the end of the day, it's really just a narrow slice of a fraction of the total picture. As many voices as possible reporting as much info as possible helps make up the total picture. A storm that "doesn't look that bad" on satellite might well be quite a bit worse on the ground. And the reverse is true.
In last night's case, we had no airborne recon, due to technical issues, so we were completely reliant on what people there were reporting and what we were seeing as we looked at the available data. And those people who were there and obviously cared enough to chime in and participate, wherever they were, did an incredible job of providing detailed descriptions, pictures, and even video. They didn't have to do it, they did it because they wanted to and because they care.
This is why I appreciate the collaborative nature of these threads, from both people who are sincerely interested and concerned about the area, to people who are there - Turdle and Hallin, saving turtles, taking pics... Q with her pics... and reports from locals regarding exactly what's going on. You get the total binary process in this forum, and it's invaluable info.
And by the way, the information reported from those in the area gets passed on. 
These threads are not, nor will they ever be, about whipping people up into a frenzy of "ZOMG, the sky is falling! Onoz, run, flee for your livez!" in big 84-point fonts.
Anyone who perceives them as such need only re-read the entire thread to get a feel for the context and flow of everything everyone's communicating here. During these times, people are interested and want info, insight, and a big picture, and I really see no reason we ought not provide them with it.
Anyway, that was a much longer response than was originally intended, but I hope that answers your question.
Cheers, Reef.
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RE: Tropical Storm Ernesto Update Thread - 8/9/2012 2:00:18 AM
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SolMan
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Thanks TeriA. By the way, you still keeping an eye on 92L? I think you might've been right. We'll see.
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RE: Hurricane Ernesto Update Thread - 8/9/2012 5:47:11 AM
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Jamie
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Thanks to all who have reported, those on the ground and those watching the weather sites, and of course a supersized Thank You to Sol Man who spends so much of his time keeping everyone informed and up to date from the various weather sites. Glad to hear everyone is OK and hope things get back to normal in a day or so.
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RE: Tropical Storm Ernesto Update Thread - 8/9/2012 6:56:39 AM
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Hey Solman, I always appreciate, respect, and trust your knowledge and sources of information. Don't ever change, and don't ever let anyone tell you that riding out a storm in person is the only qualification that gives you the right or the know how to call the play. I know plenty of highly qualified judges of sports that he never played the game, but, they are considered completely qualified because of the time they put into learning the sport in depth.
Teri, since quite obviously your comment is directed at myself and another poster... even though you're not coming out and saying so... NOBODY on this thread said that, at least not in any post I read.
I went back and read my original question more than once and I honestly don't see anything either wrong of negative about it. It was an honest question. When someone is putting in so much effort and is so passionate about a subject, yes, I'm curious about their background in the subject. Doesn't matter what the subject, I would be interested in knowing their background related to it or what got them interested. Like with anything, if you've had an experience, it does influence your interpretation and perspective, and provides a different insight when looking at future situations. If you go back and read it for exactly what it is, without assuming any motive or intention... which wasn't there... I would hope you and anyone else would see it was just a question. I even explained it. The thing with internet forums is that you're often left to decide or imply a tone, motive, reason, intention, etc., of someone's post and you can get it wrong. If the same things are said in an actual conversation, they'd often be taken totally differently. Personally, when I read boards I try not to take what anyone "says" to mean anything more than what it is. I don't like to assume what I think someone might have meant because that's often not at all what they did mean. If I'm questioning it, I usually either ask them or ignore it.
Solman, thanks for the answer. And again, there was no ill intention with the question. You didn't have to answer it at all, but thanks for doing so.
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RE: Tropical Storm Ernesto Update Thread - 8/9/2012 8:20:35 AM
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Isla Chica
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Thanks to everyone for the reporting! We all had a dog in this fight, and a lotta little pups, and I for one appreciate all the input, especially SolMan, Tortuga Tom, Reefhugger, Scott in Akumal and Turdle (and Halln), Tomas&Crunch (just so) Oregon Coast (COOL night-vision videos!), SteveO, the CEA & all their volunteers, and Lucy & Jackson too!!!!!! Thanks to EVERYONE!!!
Coztriathlete, thank you too. Although I've never been to Coz, I would love to go some day just to snorkel... maybe in September.
It may be someone's personal experience that Nationals THEY have encountered have the "What? Me worry?" attitude in life, and take everything as it comes. It happens. Too much. Also the storm was not a high-intensity one ("only" a Cat1) where the community DOES all pull together to make things happen. That could explain the difference in Ernesto & Wilma, for sure!
All meteorologists have not been thru the weather they predict (with great accuracy, I might add). My guess is that very few of them have. I have been thru several in SC. I cannot predict crappola! (well, sometimes I can smell rain coming )
Hawkeye: Glad to hear HMB has more sand - and "dramatic increase" is very good, cause the beach was quite small last year! Hurricanes DO have their good attributes.
And everyone...Don't be so defensive. Sometimes the written word is misconstrued, then all hell breaks loose. For nothing. As we saw here. Glad all have kissed & made up! 
I might not have much to do these days except take care of Mema so I am one of those with nothing else to do... guess i should start that Blog back up now. Been putting it off because it is very hard to share some of the things happening with mom, but I recently realized that if I DON'T start capturing it in writing, it may all be gone and all the good & funny details certainly forgotten.
Tortuga T: I was thinking much cheaper and much more low-tech... a map & a magic marker!!! LOL
And SolMan... ya need a ticker!!!
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RE: Tropical Storm Ernesto Update Thread - 8/9/2012 12:07:35 PM
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CallMeFrank
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ORIGINAL: TeriA
Hey Solman, I always appreciate, respect, and trust your knowledge and sources of information. Don't ever change, and don't ever let anyone tell you that riding out a storm in person is the only qualification that gives you the right or the know how to call the play. I know plenty of highly qualified judges of sports that he never played the game, but, they are considered completely qualified because of the time they put into learning the sport in depth.
Teri, since quite obviously your comment is directed at myself and another poster... even though you're not coming out and saying so... NOBODY on this thread said that, at least not in any post I read.
I went back and read my original question more than once and I honestly don't see anything either wrong of negative about it. It was an honest question. When someone is putting in so much effort and is so passionate about a subject, yes, I'm curious about their background in the subject. Doesn't matter what the subject, I would be interested in knowing their background related to it or what got them interested. Like with anything, if you've had an experience, it does influence your interpretation and perspective, and provides a different insight when looking at future situations. If you go back and read it for exactly what it is, without assuming any motive or intention... which wasn't there... I would hope you and anyone else would see it was just a question. I even explained it. The thing with internet forums is that you're often left to decide or imply a tone, motive, reason, intention, etc., of someone's post and you can get it wrong. If the same things are said in an actual conversation, they'd often be taken totally differently. Personally, when I read boards I try not to take what anyone "says" to mean anything more than what it is. I don't like to assume what I think someone might have meant because that's often not at all what they did mean. If I'm questioning it, I usually either ask them or ignore it.
Solman, thanks for the answer. And again, there was no ill intention with the question. You didn't have to answer it at all, but thanks for doing so.
Sorry Reef, I also read your "question" the same way TeriA did. My apologies. By the way, has the home re-building coming along?
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The S.H.*.T.s will be in the Roo in mid October and if you do show up down there I/we would love to buy you a few too. We will have our computers with us and will pass info on if anything happens in our neck of the woods.