2008/05/21 15:58:23
SnorkelMan

New Landfill being proposed near Tulum

Has anyone else seen this information yet. Apparently they are planning a new landfill about 3 km from Chemuyil and the town is very worried about contamination of the underground water supplies. Woudn't this also threaten the health of the very water we swim in in the cenotes and ultimately the ocean?

Here is the link to the translated article!!

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.noticaribe.com.mx/rivieramaya/2008/05/ignora_alcalde_quejas_de_chemuyil_e_insiste_en_abrir_el_relleno_sanitario.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Balam%2BTun%2522%2B%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3Djds%26pwst%3D1
Mayor Ignores Chemuyil complaints and insists on opening landfill
Chemuyil | Environment | Playa del Carmen | Tulum

May
14
2008
Playa del Carmen, MX. - While in the village of Chemuyil remains the rejection of the opening of the controversial landfill built just three kilometres of the population by former Mayor Carlos Joaquin Gonzalez, the current mayor of Solidarity, Roman Quian Alcocer , Continued to ignore complaints from the community and traveled to Monterrey to meet with executives of the company was to see the options they have so they can begin operations there.

In an interview on his return from that trip in which he was accompanied by the secretary of Urban Development and Environment (Sedum) from the state government, Javier Diaz Carvajal, the mayor commented that still working on a joint proposal with representatives of the new town of Tulum to share a trash can, as an urgent measure to solve the problem of final disposal of waste while there is no alternative as the possible construction of a regional landfill.

Without commenting on the opposition's neighbors Chemuyil, said that the proposal still working in the cell of the landfill that was built in that population and see what we should be better. "

However, he noted that the two municipalities could use one place for the disposal of wastes, either in Tulum or territory of Solidarity, as is the case, since the landfill was built on precisely the boundaries between the two municipalities, "will be beneficial for both."

The mayor said that only are waiting to define the integration of the Council of Tulum to sign with them the Intermunicipal agreement.

"Of course, there are resources that we can lose the Sedesol entry and signed this possibility for the landfill," he said. "There is an investment of 5 million pesos provided by the Sedesol that could serve to give continuity to the landfill."

However, residents of Chemuyil reminded the mayor that at the last hearing that argued with officials sent by him, in this case the secretary of the council, Rafael Castro, and three aldermen, he clearly outlined the arguments for not supporting the opening of the project and warned that they are willing to take more drastic measures to curb any attempt to start operations there.

The inhabitants of Chemuyil, a town 45 kilometres south of Playa del Carmen, fear that the new trash can cause diseases due to possible contamination of underground tributaries that provide water to the scene and several of the largest hotels in the Riviera Maya , As the Sirenis, Oasis and Prince Bay.

However, experts are also warning that with the launch of this garbage dump is threatening the water wealth of the entire region because it lies just below the system of underground rivers largest in the world that feeds hundreds of cenotes, some of them of great importance for tourism.

However, Roman Quian has refused to reverse its intention to put into operation this trash, inherited by the previous administration with multiple irregularities and legal problems in land tenure.

This day, during the interview, explained that his trip to Monterrey to meet with executives of the company past, which was built cell emerging that so far exists in the landfill, was to try to give continuity to the work, and that is still required to complete the work.

The mayor said they expect additional information to be analysed and take a decision. (Noticaribe)

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margaritamamma
Well - nothing new here - being mayor means he is the winner of an election - there is NO guarantee that he is any smarter or wiser than any one else.
 
These "leaders" do not get it - any of it, because they are greedy, because they are very bright , because - well who cares - bottom line is they are destroying the very thing that is supporting the financial growth of their future.
2008/05/21 16:59:17
SnorkelMan
Thought this would have been a hotter topic seeing as it could very possibly effect the watershed and ecosystem in the area???
2008/05/21 23:53:56
John in DC
Shall they send their garbage to Calgary?

It's a tricky problem for sure, but there are ways to build landfills that don't leach into aquifers. It's probably vastly more complicated by the thin top soil, thin karst and high water table. And the public policy track record doesn't guarantee that there's much will to build the right kind of landfill.  However, it's a problem that must be dealt with locally.

The other complicating factor is the political realignment of Akumal and Chemuyil from Solidaridad into Tulum Municipality. A lot of issues are in limbo until that transition get itself sorted out.
2008/05/22 08:01:04
Bahia Vet
Garbage is a problem everywhere. You have to have a landfill site somewhere or just stop producing garbage and that is not going to happen.  Most land fill sites have to be near a populated area so hauling the garbage would be cost effective.
 
Unless your willing to go to Mexico and bring back your garbage with you, a land fill site is a neccesary evil.
 
Just a case hear of  "Not in my backyard"
2008/05/22 09:05:27
reefhugger

ORIGINAL: SnorkelMan

Thought this would have been a hotter topic seeing as it could very possibly effect the watershed and ecosystem in the area???

Like Bahia Vet said, landfills are everywhere. Where does garbage go in your community? Are you near a river, lake or the ocean? And when you're in Mexico, what do you personally do with your trash? And do you know what sort of waste treatment system is used where you stay?

As for the new landfill in the Chemuyil area effecting the aquifer, ocean and environment, those things have already been effected. Do a few google searches, there are lots of research reports online if you want to know about it.

The existing landfills in the area can no longer handle the trash being produced. The land in the region is very porous and the water table is high. If you don't want this landfill what would you propose they do with the trash?
2008/05/22 09:51:28
Clay
ORIGINAL: John in DC

The other complicating factor is the political realignment of Akumal and Chemuyil from Solidaridad into Tulum Municipality. A lot of issues are in limbo until that transition get itself sorted out.



I read about the Solidaridad and Tulum Municipality in the article and I didn't understand it.  Can someone please explain what this means?  Are they trying to incorporate the Akumal and Chemuyil area into the city of Tulum?  Sorry if this is a dumb question - I guess I don't know much about public works ....
2008/05/22 13:16:44
reefhugger

ORIGINAL: Clay

ORIGINAL: John in DC

The other complicating factor is the political realignment of Akumal and Chemuyil from Solidaridad into Tulum Municipality. A lot of issues are in limbo until that transition get itself sorted out.



I read about the Solidaridad and Tulum Municipality in the article and I didn't understand it. Can someone please explain what this means? Are they trying to incorporate the Akumal and Chemuyil area into the city of Tulum? Sorry if this is a dumb question - I guess I don't know much about public works ....

This might help you. http://theakumalian.com/Archives/2008/66june.shtml

2008/05/22 13:23:48
SnorkelMan
Sorry for my ingnorance in this matter but what concerned me the most is the close proximity to the ocean and the underwater rivers. I am not sure how far inland you have to go in Mexico before a landfill becomes a minimal risk to the coral reefs and water supplies.
 
Quote "The other complicating factor is the political realignment of Akumal and Chemuyil from Solidaridad into Tulum Municipality. A lot of issues are in limbo until that transition get itself sorted out."

Is there a political aspect to this placement due to the new realignment?
 
Just asking questions I know little about. Figured with all the discussion on this board about the damage we keep seeing to the oceanlife, this might be an important issue to ensure they are doing it correctly versus the cheapest way???
 
 
2008/05/22 13:33:00
John in DC
A brief primer on the Solidaridad/Tulum issue, as much as I understand it.

For the past couple decades, the entire Caribbean coast from north of Playa del Carmen to south of Tulum and inland quite a ways has been the municipio de Solidaridad -- technically "Solidaridad Municipality" but actually with a meaning more like what we would call "Solidaridad County." Municipios are in charge of providing or contracting for public services -- water and sewage service, ambulance and police coverage, road maintenance, school systems, etc. -- that are not provided by the state or national governments.

Since Playa has been growing so quickly, it has been consuming a huge portion of Solidaridad's capacity to provide services. In particular, Tulum, which is also growing quickly, has been feeling like it's gotten the short end of the stick. So the state of Quintana Roo a couple of years ago began looking at ways to carve up Solidaridad into two or more additional municipios. The final solution, which will take effect at the end of this month I believe, resulted in the creation of Tulum Municipio, as well as two others south and west of Tulum. The idea is that these communities have needs that are on a very different scale from those of Playa del Carmen.

As part of this realignment, the greater Akumal metroplex is becoming part of Tulum municipio.

That has caused some angst. Akumalians have spent years trying to get Solidaridad's government to bring services down south, and have finally begun seeing some success. The Akumalian link that scubagal posted has some of those details. They are understandably worried that all of their work will have gone for naught now that they're part of Tulum, with no guarantees at all that the new municipio will be able to deliver the services they thought they had already secured. As I understand it, lots of people in Akumal have been dead set against being part of Tulum from the get-go.

In the case of the landfill we're talking about in this thread, apparently it site right on top of the new dividing line between Solidaridad and Tulum. The article alludes to the mayor of Solidaridad's belief that this could be a win-win for both municipios, as both could use it. But in the meantime, Tulum's municipal government is just getting off the ground, so it's unknown how or whether hey want to cooperate with Solidaridad on a project that was conceived and executed as a Solidaridad facility. So it's all kind of up in the air, and it sounds like the good people of Chemuyil don't even know who can address their concerns.
2008/05/22 14:31:17
Bahia Vet
ORIGINAL: SnorkelMan

Just asking questions I know little about. Figured with all the discussion on this board about the damage we keep seeing to the oceanlife, this might be an important issue to ensure they are doing it correctly versus the cheapest way???



 
Nothing we can do about it even if we wanted to. 
2008/05/22 17:01:41
alexakumal
ORIGINAL: Bahia Vet
Nothing we can do about it even if we wanted to. 

Sadly, pretty true. CEA, being right there and participating on a Municipal Sub-commission on waste management, is in a position only to advise, not enforce. They, along with several other groups and individuals, are working on ways to ensure that this new landfill does not impact the watershed.
 
Thanks, John in DC, for explaining some of the political issues involved, like having to get to know a new faction of decision-makers.
2008/05/22 17:25:27
SnorkelMan
Great post John in DC...
 
Very interesting information. I feel for the people who have done so much for Akumal. Nothing worse than beating you head against a wall, actually getting your head beat against a wall maybe, and seeing all your hard work going down the drain. Hopefully the Solidaridad's government recougnizes the needs of these growing communities and dedicates the appropriate funds and resources to the new Tulum municipio.
2008/05/22 17:42:29
SnorkelMan
Just curious but are these officials appointed or elected???
2008/05/22 17:43:44
Bahia Vet
I believe that they are appointed right now but will be elected in the fall.
2008/05/22 17:53:51
SnorkelMan
The mayor of Solidaridad is appointed or do you mean the interm leaders for the Tulum municipio are appointed???
 
 
2008/05/22 18:05:23
reefhugger

ORIGINAL: SnorkelMan

The mayor of Solidaridad is appointed or do you mean the interm leaders for the Tulum municipio are appointed???



"5/27/08... State Congress to appoint the 11-person Municipal Council as an interim government until the elections in February 2009."
2008/05/22 18:07:10
Pancho
[8D]The land fill where we live is lined with a certain type of clay and a thick plastic liner.  The effluent which collects in the lined pit is transported to a hazardous waste dump.  As everybody realizes this is probably not an option in the Yucatan unfortunately.  This is a worldwide problem with no easy solutions.  Maybe the next Albert Einstein will figure it out!
 
Pancho
2008/05/22 18:17:06
Clay
Thanks for the explanations everyone.  Sounds like growing pains .... OUCH!
2008/05/22 19:47:53
snorkel mxer
I'll be that there is little or no natural resource for clay type soils in the pouros Yucatan and very little top soil. I have seen major Land fills developed on our area of SE Texas and they are a great engineering feet to hold all of the garbage of the N. E. Houston area and not upset the local neighborhoods or spoil our natural resources. They did huge holes in the ground and line them with 10 - 15 ft. of non porous clay then dump the trash in layers and cover that layer with the excavated soil then compact it. That is propably an easy engineering option for our area and the engineering options for the Yucatan with it.'s unique geology is probably way tougher. As has been said before, there will have to be places to put the garbage. My question is, has the proper engineering processes with government and local oversite ensured that the Land Fill plan will be able to protect the underground waters and the sea. I am concered that you have private companies that seek the contracts to handle the garbage disposal doing what they do without the proper plan or oversite. If the engineering is correct it should be OK as a nessesary part of develpment.; But, who knows?
2008/05/22 21:54:07
lambert13
ORIGINAL: Pancho

[8D]The land fill where we live is lined with a certain type of clay and a thick plastic liner.  The effluent which collects in the lined pit is transported to a hazardous waste dump.  As everybody realizes this is probably not an option in the Yucatan unfortunately.  This is a worldwide problem with no easy solutions.  Maybe the next Albert Einstein will figure it out!

Pancho


That exact technology may not work for the Akumal area, but there are ways to design a landfill even with those soil conditions to protect the watershed.  As long as they invest the research time and extra expense for the proper engineering, it can be done the right way.

I work in a civil engineering office and we design all types of landfills to match the needs of the site.
2008/05/23 10:16:07
SnorkelMan
An e-mail reply from the CEA in regaurds to the landfill...

Believe me that we are as concerned about this issue as you are, because if the landfill is not working properly, it will have implications for the health of the entire ecosystem .
What I know is that the last municipal president made all the arrangements to have a landfill near Chemuyil. He said that the landfill complied with all the law´s standards. CEA is part of a local solid waste committee and we are going to have a meeting on May 30 with the new government to find out more about the subject. So, after this meeting I can tell you about discussions.


 
M.C. Edith Sosa Bravo
Coordinadora del Programa
de Calidad de Agua
Centro Ecologico Akumal
Tel: 01(984) 87 59095
Cel: (984) 1338404
E-mail: agua@...
agua_cea@...

Lo que estoy haciendo hoy, me ayudara a tener lo que quiero en el futuro?
What I'm doing now will help me have what I want in the future?


2008/05/23 22:43:49
alleycat1
Hey Snorkelman...put some pants on the Avatar.  It's like lizard porn!!! [:'(]
 
[;)]
2008/05/24 09:20:40
Bahia Vet
ORIGINAL: SnorkelMan

An e-mail reply from the CEA in regaurds to the landfill...

Believe me that we are as concerned about this issue as you are, because if the landfill is not working properly, it will have implications for the health of the entire ecosystem .
What I know is that the last municipal president made all the arrangements to have a landfill near Chemuyil. He said that the landfill complied with all the law´s standards. CEA is part of a local solid waste committee and we are going to have a meeting on May 30 with the new government to find out more about the subject. So, after this meeting I can tell you about discussions.


 
M.C. Edith Sosa Bravo
Coordinadora del Programa
de Calidad de Agua
Centro Ecologico Akumal
Tel: 01(984) 87 59095
Cel: (984) 1338404
E-mail: agua@...
agua_cea@...



 
 
So now you have an e-mail reply from the CEA.  Whats next? Did it solve anything?
 
So many questions.  Do you have an alternative plan?  Do you have an alternative site?
 
Or is this just another one of those "the sky is falling" posts.  Everytime there is a major change on the Riviera (New Airport, New Resort, New landfill). There is an alarming post from someone sitting thousands of miles away, wondering how this will effect their next snorkel trip or margarita.
 
We are all concerned about the environment these days, but you have to have a trade off or everyone will be still back in the stone age.  NY city was once a field.
 
The economic plus that new airports, landfills and resorts have on these poor Mexican people is wonderful.
 
Perhaps we should let the politics of another country be decided by the people who live there, failing that, someone could declare that Mexico has weapons of mass destruction and we could go in, remove their leader, bomb the crap out of their infastructure and "improve" their way of life.
 
Given the way it worked out in the last country this happened in, they won't need the land fill as the people will be so poor, they won't have anything to throw in to the garbage.
 
OK, off the soap box, let the bullets fly!!!
2008/05/24 13:47:52
Diver Lori
I have to agree with ScubaGal.  The cenotes are already effected.  One right off the top of my head is Carwash.  I have yet to cave dive that one due to the extremely high ecoli count........
2008/05/24 14:27:13
SnorkelMan
So now you have an e-mail reply from the CEA. Whats next? Did it solve anything?

So many questions. Do you have an alternative plan? Do you have an alternative site?

Or is this just another one of those "the sky is falling" posts. Everytime there is a major change on the Riviera (New Airport, New Resort, New landfill). There is an alarming post from someone sitting thousands of miles away, wondering how this will effect their next snorkel trip or margarita.

We are all concerned about the environment these days, but you have to have a trade off or everyone will be still back in the stone age. NY city was once a field.

The economic plus that new airports, landfills and resorts have on these poor Mexican people is wonderful.

Perhaps we should let the politics of another country be decided by the people who live there, failing that, someone could declare that Mexico has weapons of mass destruction and we could go in, remove their leader, bomb the crap out of their infastructure and "improve" their way of life.

Given the way it worked out in the last country this happened in, they won't need the land fill as the people will be so poor, they won't have anything to throw in to the garbage.

OK, off the soap box, let the bullets fly!!!

WOW.... This post frightens me!!!!

FYI I happen to own property in this area and plan on retiring there so I feel I do have a vested interest in the area... I do want the area to remain as beautiful as it is now (wishful thinking) and sometimes people and/or governments need protection from themselves, especially those who do not have a voice or experience!!! Of course this doesn't matter to you or make sense to you cause you live in a country that makes ALL THE RIGHT DECISIONS!!!

Thanks for the lesson in free speech, economics, politics, and oh, perhaps your next lesson could fill us in on your religious beliefs???
2008/05/25 02:19:38
Bahia Vet
So......sorry to have frightened you, lol

You did not answer the questions.

Do you have and alternative plan?

Do you have an alternative site?

"sometimes people and/or governments need protection from themselves, especially those who do not have a voice or experience!!! Of course this doesn't matter to you or make sense to you cause you live in a country that makes ALL THE RIGHT DECISIONS!!! "

Who decides which governments need protection from themselves?  In a democratic society like Mexico, I always thought it was the people.

I never claimed to live in a country that makes all the right decisions, those are your words. 

When defending a poor position or when unable to argue a point, it is an uneducated person who goes on the attack.

Lets just agree to disagree on this. Good luck with the cause.
2008/05/25 06:45:12
hwy1cat
sh!t....wait til they start taken garbage from other countries like our landfill does [:'(]
cat ~!~
2008/05/25 07:13:37
SnorkelMan
When defending a poor position or when unable to argue a point, it is an uneducated person who goes on the attack.


You win!!! Good job... Thanks for helping!!! I feel enlightened!!!
2008/05/25 08:28:51
Whale
The Akumal and Riviera Maya forum is for questions about planning a vacation. If you guys want to debate Mexican politics regarding a landfill please do it on the Edge. Also, you are edging into making it personal. If this continues I will move it to the Politics forum.
2008/05/25 13:28:42
alexakumal
Here's a report on the landfill meeting yesterday:
 
Chemuyil Landfill Report
Paul Sánchez-Navarro
Centro Ecológico Akumal
May 2008
 
The new landfill behind Chemuyil is called a "Celda Emergente" or "emergency cell" landfill and is being developed now. Five hectares have been prepared to begin receiving the first waste products from the Solidaridad Municipality soon. As an "emergency" cell, it will be used for only one year and then shut down (that is the plan at the moment). The main argument given for this is the need to temporarily close down the existing landfill north of Playa del Carmen, to put out the fire that has been burning there for months, clean it up, and re-establish it.
 
The Chemuyil Landfill is 6 kilometers behind Chemuyil, on a lot titled "Tlakaelel." It is a total space of 20 hectares. It is not clear from the documents whether the landfill will really be "temporary" or not, because the whole space is 20 hectares and it is not clear what will be done with the remaining 15 hectares after the first year of operation.
 
The Sub commission on Waste Management of Solidaridad, on which CEA participates, is reviewing the case and providing recommendations to the Municipal government. Also, Grupo Xcaret, Xel Ha office, has done a study of the landfill project and is going to provide the results and recommendations to the municipal president in the near future. We do not have this study, but can report that Xel Ha is very concerned with water quality in the region, as any pollution of the underground rivers may potentially affect its business. Likewise, CEA is working through the Sub commission to make sure the landfill in no way pollutes the groundwater and thus our fresh water and eventually our reef.
 
Unfortunately, the landfill is very close to the site where the water authorities pump freshwater into a system for the Chemuyil and Akumal populations.
 
There are many issues to be considered, from the location itself, to the final products and their impact on the surrounding area. Some of these points include:
 
·         Why locate it so far from Playa del Carmen?
·         What is the impact on nearby housing subdivisions being developed now?
·         Is the geo-membrane placed at the base of the landfill sufficient to guarantee no leakage into the groundwater?
·         Is the whole project being developed within the current regulatory framework?
·         Will the methane releases be used to generate energy (to avoid air pollution)?
·         Where and how will the resulting liquids be treated?
·         How will the municipality ensure that all the truck traffic to and from the site does not create negative impacts on the surrounding area? (The surrounding area is now part of Tulum Municipality and the Landfill is in Solidaridad.)
 
We will continue to study the project and to try to influence its outcome. We will report information as it becomes available. If we get any digital information we will put it on our Web site.
2008/05/31 17:53:46
Sharoon
ORIGINAL: alleycat1

Hey Snorkelman...put some pants on the Avatar.  It's like lizard porn!!! [:'(]

[;)]


[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

By the way, there used to be a landfill right where they are building (have built?) the Bahia Principe Golf Course.
Also, for all of you who care and stay at the Bahia, there used to be a wreck called the El Montencero which sank in 1741 out front and lots of ironstone..till they blew it all up to make a nice sandy beach to walk on...and then they claim they know nothing of the wreck..how interesting, considering you can see much of what was recovered long ago from it in the CEDAM museum and we used to find beads and paste jewels and Steve even found a bronze crucifix there once too....no more...[:(]
2008/05/31 19:12:02
barata
So what if everyone who is concerned about the landfill issue supported CEA in their mission?  Unfortunately unless you can be on the front lines fighting the good fight sending lawyers, guns, and money is about all we can do.  (Um, the lawyers, guns, and money is a line from a Warren Zevon song in case you think I'm going all postal.)
We all pick our favorite causes - my thing is working with the local food bank and breast cancer awareness.  So if you haven't picked a cause yet, maybe this is it.  And making people aware is as good a way as any to get the funds headed in the right direction.  So your mission, should you accept it Snorkleman, is to find a way to get money to the people who will be most successful lobbying for an (as good as it gets) environmentally friendly disposal site.
2008/05/31 19:35:55
SnorkelMan
Thanks alexakumal, Sharoon and barata,
 
Great information and input... I am glad to hear that it is a temporary site (hopefully) and that these very important issues are being addressed by the people most influenced in the area. It would be a shame to see this impact the watershed that supplies Akumal and Chemuyil residents as well as the businesses in that area. Unfortunately, I am too far away and dont speak spanish fluently so it makes it difficult for me to contribute other than raising awareness and gaining information for my own comfort from a distance. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Lets hope those fighting this battle can make sure it is done safely and with little impact to the enviornment.
 
Hugging my tree right now!!!
 
SnorkelMan
2008/06/04 11:40:05
crunch
Maybe I am too sensitive since I am back from Mexico and in withdrawals, but I thought it was very nice that SnorkelMan brought this up and was concerned.
 
Who cares if we do not have any chance at changing the outcome?  Don't we all care anyway?
 
Why would anyone give this person a hard time about caring about that matter and being concerned?
 
I guess this thread just really surprised and annoyed and kind of disappointed me (OMG - I sound like my mother[:o]).
2008/06/04 11:52:52
barata
You are absolutely right, crunch!
People should not dump (no pun intended) on folks who are trying to sound alarm bells about potential problems.  They should rally round them and, if they can, point them in the right direction to help them get the issue resolved.
Wish I could help out.
2008/06/04 21:48:12
rodman
There are plenty of landfill sites to be found and used, it's hard to think about them as landfills as we are taking the coal from the ground, or quarrying the stone from them.......We dig these huge holes, taking out useful materials, yet, when do these holes get filled back up?   Why do we pile the garbage up into mounds, and hills, when we could fill in some strip mines, quarries......?[8|]
2008/06/04 22:39:11
Sharoon
ORIGINAL: SnorkelMan

Thanks alexakumal, Sharoon and barata,

Great information and input... I am glad to hear that it is a temporary site (hopefully) and that these very important issues are being addressed by the people most influenced in the area. It would be a shame to see this impact the watershed that supplies Akumal and Chemuyil residents as well as the businesses in that area. Unfortunately, I am too far away and dont speak spanish fluently so it makes it difficult for me to contribute other than raising awareness and gaining information for my own comfort from a distance. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Lets hope those fighting this battle can make sure it is done safely and with little impact to the enviornment.

Hugging my tree right now!!!

SnorkelMan


I would just like to say this, having lived there and knowing a goodly number of the folks who live there full time....don't discount their involvement or there concern or their ability to handle the environmental situations of the area in which they live.  Becuase they live there they are deeply involved and know mch more than the average tourist or the person who comes for a couple of weeks every year....it is a totally different expereince to live there. So...read up on what these folks are doing and respect their opiions and learn from them.
2008/06/04 22:50:12

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